Is capitalism greed the only thing saving us from mutually assured destruction?
- ChristerMLB@piefed.socialEnglish4 hours
Having your country nuked back will also make a lot of your assets less valuable - and it’s also likely that your country is dependent on some big actor who’s really invested in the nuclear taboo.
Like, one of the many reasons Russia won’t use nukes in Ukraine, is probably because it would seriously piss off India and China, who both have a troubled relationship with a nuclear-armed neighbor.
The fact that mutual dependence contributes to stability and peace is something we don’t talk so much about these days… I hope the lesson that reminds us won’t be too brutal :\
- NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish6 hours
That’s probably part of it, but also the “mutually assured destruction” is saving us from the mutually assured destruction. No one wants that horror in their own country, and no one believes their defenses are good enough to prevent it if missiles start flying.
This is probably realistic. Modern ICBM designs carry multiple independently targeting warheads, plus decoy warheads, but can’t travel fast enough to reach a rival nation before they can launch their own missiles. If launched, every nation with such weapons has the capacity to completely overwhelm any anti-missile defenses, but not to prevent retaliation.
This situation becomes unbalanced when:
- Someone develops a practical method for shooting down 10 actual warheads per missile while correctly identifying the decoys and either avoiding or shooting them down too.
- Someone develops a faster delivery system and/or a reliable way to blind early warning systems (unlikely because you would need to blind multiple space and ground observation platforms at the same time).
- Someone rises to power who doesn’t care about the consequences to their own nation.
Personally I think the fear of dying horribly is still the largest factor. The US has probably invested the most in developing a practical ICBM interception system:

https://www.mda.mil/system/system.html
…and that pretty much just gets you to “we can probably prevent half the warheads from reaching their targets”.
- 4 hours
Someone rises to power who doesn’t care about the consequences to their own nation.
Uuuh, about that.
- 11111one11111@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
I mean the US and Russia are pretty fuckin sprawled out. As long as you dont live in a city or major grid intersection you prolly good.
- VitoRobles@lemmy.todayEnglish7 hours
Modern war with guns and tanks has shown to be very difficult to “win” and still be in power. Vietnam war. Middle east wars. The multiple coups. Usually within 10-30 years, something else happens.
The winner always seems to be the ones who profit the most and are able to plant themselves inside the country and get rich from it.
- slazer2au@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
But I’d there is radioactive wastes, all the other resources become more valuable because there are around. Using supply and demand as a basic bad model, lower supply means they can charge more for the demand.
- manxu@piefed.socialEnglish5 hours
Ironically, that’s why they invented the neutron bomb: kills everything in its radius, but leaves no radiation behind.

