And here I am trying NOT to install on my PC.
I was really considering getting a new laptop and now I want it to be a Debian laptop. :^
How do you choose a Linux OS?
Personal preference really but Debian is pretty much just Ubuntu without the bloat. You can also try a lot of them on a live disk without installing (Mint is a good option too).
Making Win 11 even harder to install is a bold move from Microsoft. Most average users are content with using the OS that comes with their PC and upgrading it when necessary. But if the option is to either buy a new PC or fiddle with registry settings in hope that Win 11 will work, I think a lot more people will start looking at Linux instead.
Let’s not kid ourselves, most people will not start looking at Linux. They should, but they won’t. They’ll continue to use the version of Windows their machine came with, becoming a botnet petri dish in the process, forever, until it breaks or becomes unusable. If Microsoft actually forces their machine to become unbootable they’ll rush off to the mall and replace it with a Mac.
And in the meantime they’ll click off any nags and warnings Microsoft sends them without reading them.
Just like happened with XP.
Just like what happened with Vista.
Just like what happened with 7.
Etc.
Most users are clueless, barely understand how to use their computers except by rote, and therefore are extremely afraid of change. Microsoft could offer a free puppy with your updrade to Win11 and I think about 75% of users would still refuse to take it.
most people will not start looking at Linux. They should, but they won’t.
Assuming you’re correct, the Linux community needs to get their shit together then.
And i can fix that.
All i need is 1 billion dollars in investment. 10 million people giving 100 dollars to a Kickstarter/indie gogo
And ill make it happen in my lifetime.
I’ll accept louis rossman as my business partner who handles the money to prevent me from abusing it or staying from the goal
It will take time.
But it will be global.
First year will only cost 150k. My salary until the donors decide to adjust it as source by Louis
Plus travel expenses. I’m willing to have review board and recommended budget changes as long as i can work on 2-3 year spreads with a fixed budget, as approved by Louis and the board.
I will only tell Louis my plan and he can choose where the money goes and who replaced me if he decides to remove me
Also I’m serious and will donate 30,000 dollars to the campaign and 5 thousand to person who can run this campaign and get this started
This is not a joke
It’s like they forgot that their monopoly is ensured by their lenience towards piracy and industry leading backwards compatibility. Being consumer hostile this way is unusual from Microsoft but I guess they hope to make it up by making Windows subscription based in the longer term.
Tbh I thought they would have already gone subscription by now. When they announced win11 after saying 10 was the last I was very surprised it wasn’t either free or subscription based. Now I wonder if they will at some point release win12 with AI tools behind pro and make that subscription only.
I use Linux so I won’t be touching it but will see how it goes. Usually end up having to know at least a little about this as people ask me to fix their windows PCs
You can keep using Windows 10 safely on your old hardware after „official” support ends, it’s just subscription based. Some individual customers will probably pay so it’s extra money on top of what they make on corporate volume licensing.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates
Extended Security Updates for Windows 10 can be purchased today through the Microsoft Volume Licensing Program, at $61 USD per device for Year One. The price doubles every consecutive year, for a maximum of three years.
Welp. Thanks, but no thanks.
Huh, didn’t know there was already a subscription option. Perhaps that is the first step
Nope. Brother in law is upgrading all the family PCs (a total of 3) so he can carry on with 11. Only nerds like everyone here and myself will switch to Linux because we know upgrading your PC just to support the OS is ridiculous.
I’d bet most non-nerdy people would rather not upgrade their PCs at all. Upgrading is financially hard, while using an EOL OS in their eyes, especially if it is better than the new version, isn’t bad. Maybe even good, because no sudden, annoying, unskippable updates would come anymore.
Well, I guarantee you that the whole world that don’t have strong currencies (like the dollar or euro) will find workarounds to avoid buying new computers.
Two sides of the same coin though. For every ten people not switching even if there is one, it’s good just for the push alone
Nah, just us tech heads that are willing to put in the effort (and I’m not, Linux on the desktop has a long way to go, and I use Linux for all sorts of services).
99% of users can’t be bothered to understand the concept of a web browser, and that there are different ones. Switch them to any Linux distro and they’d freeze like deer in headlights.
Source: decades of providing support.
And yes, dumb move my MS, not sure what they’re trying to do here.
Linux on the desktop has a long way to go
What do you perceive is missing? I’ve been using Linux exclusively since 2006 (while supporting Windows users at work), there’s never been a time when I felt like I was missing a particular Windows feature. Mostly I just find Windows’ lack of user-friendliness to be extremely maddening.
To be fair, if you’ve been using Linux exclusively for nearly 30 years then yeah, you wouldn’t be missing any Windows features because you don’t daily it. That’s a no-brainer.
I’m a daily Windows user but I do sometimes dabble in Linux both out of curiosity and also for challenge reasons. I used to use it for my school laptop(s) and at one point I had a 2nd desktop rig running it. I can gladly say it has come a long way and improved in many ways since the early days, but it still has a ways to go. Unfortunately one of the biggest obstacles is the Linux community itself which is both resistant to change and exceptionally hostile to new users.
About two years ago I was troubleshooting an audio driver that refused to work and I was asking in several Linux communities for assistance. The responses ranged from standoffish to indifferent to several people outright saying “If you can’t even figure this out then maybe you shouldn’t use Linux lmao”. And I agree. Maybe I shouldn’t. Because I was tired of spending so much time screwing around in a terminal while talking to people that think I am trash for struggling to use the operating system they claim is so good.
Linux can be an extremely polished, smooth, and effective experience but that experience is like the frozen surface of a lake. Once something goes wrong and you break through the surface - you are screwed unless you are highly experienced already. That has been my experience, at least.
Ugh that’s terrible about the experience with the audio driver, and unfortunately I have to agree… there ARE some really elitist linux communities out there. My last bad experience was on Digg, I was trying to ask a question about changing the resolution on the console from the grub config. The admin of the group was so hung up on insisting that I couldn’t have a “real” server because I had a monitor connected to it, that he wouldn’t even let anyone else try to answer the question (and it’s actually a simple setting). He actually deleted the post because he was so disgusted by the idea that my rack of servers has a kvm switch attached.
The communities here on lemmy have been so much better with helping people out. Yeah there is definitely still hardware out there that is impossible (or nearly so) to get to work under linux, but those are usually the “software” devices (like the 56k modems we saw just before broadband become widespread). I’ve also run across issues trying to get a soft keyboard to pop up on a 2-in-1 Dell laptop (where you can flip the keyboard to the back and use it like a tablet), but I didn’t really poke at that for long. On the other hand I’ve run into similar issues on Windows over the years, trying to reinstall it on a machine and discovering even the manufacturer no longer has the drivers for the hardware they sold, so I don’t feel like linux is unique in this problem.
As far as fixing problems goes… Have you ever had Windows break so badly that you had to burn an install disk, boot up to a command prompt, and perform a series of cryptic commands trying to get the system up and running again? I’ve had to deal with that both from viruses and from Windows breaking itself. Meanwhile linux has such tools built in from the boot menu, and yeah the commands are still cryptic to most people, but at least you don’t have to visit pirate bay from another machine to get back online.
Have you ever had Windows break so badly that you had to burn an install disk…
As a programmer, yes under Windows 3.0 I could crash the computer so hard that the only way to recover was to reformat the hard disk. It got progressively better in later versions and everything from Windows 2000 has been virtually uncrashable.
My most recent hard crash was when I had a VM, two Minecraft instances and Firefox all open at the same time and Windows ran out of memory (so I upgraded from 32GB to 64GB). It does make me wonder why some of that didn’t get swapped out though.
Oof how much space do those Minecraft instance take up??? My biggest usage is from Firefox, usually takes about 10GB of memory on my 16GB systems, but I run a lot of heavier stuff like building 3D models in the rest of the available space. I’m waiting on a replacement motherboard so I can upgrade to 32G though.
5G for HermitCraft S9, 10G for Enigmatica 6 Expert (looking at Working Set in Resource Monitor). I’ve rebuilt impulseSV’s iBuy as an autocrafting tower in my E6E world, and I needed more detail than I could glean from the videos.
Firefox is a bit more tricky to work out because it’s split over multiple processes but if I kill it while watching Resource Monitor the Available Memory jumps by about 9G, with 56 tabs open.
The update claims that Windows Defender now identifies the app as potential malware. Flyby11 is a popular third-party tool that allows people to dodge the TPM 2.0 requirement and install Windows 11 on any machine, so Defender suddenly taking a dislike for the app does raise a few eyebrows.
Well, it was only a matter of time until MS abuses their malware scanner for software they don’t like.
Why do they care? Don’t they want the tiny market share of Windows 11 to go up?
Well if you buy say a new laptop it will come with an OEM license so they make a sale unlike if you use your old windows 7/8/10 license on your unsuported laptop
Your argument is flawed. The situation is using Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. So the sale you are talking about has already happened which invalidates your point
I’m assuming you simply misread the question
Windows 7/8/10 are irrelevant as that’s an entirely different situation
When you get a new laptop it comes with Windows (except in very rare exceptions). So microsoft collects another sale.
All the other windows versions are very important to my argument as you can use old 7/8/10 licenses to activate Win 11.
to activate Win 11.
You didn’t include this in your argument that’s why it was flawed
They don’t care about home users buying licenses. That’s probably less than 1% of license sales. As long as businesses are buying it they’re happy. You can activate Windows with a github script. Microsoft would have fixed that vulnerability if they really cared.
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I guess it’s a good thing I am switching to Linux.
Mint. There you forgot to finish your sentence.
I’m installing Mint! I also had an eye on EndeavourOS, but I’m thinking I can first switch to mint and once I have some time in it switch to the more involved EndeavourOS tweaking process.
The thing that most grabs me about mint is the polish and refinement, its a no frills shit just works vibe. For instance install bazzite or most other distros even silverblue etc. The program names are wacky and navigation isn’t intuituve as much. Not to say those are bad but mint seems easily labelled. Thought out and navigatable. Having almost everything you need pre installed with next to zero bullshit.
Cinnamon seems the best. I just booted up XFCE yesterday. Good but not cinnamon good. Games worked on my all AMD system out of the box. No tweaks needed for 98 percent of games. It’s been so smooth that half my family has joined. Due to Windows upgrade bullshit nobody has looked back. Windows gets used maybe once in 6 months to go play multiplayer games. Even then I could easily ditch it. Never going back.
While this article is about upgrading to Win11, not necessarily a clean install, I found the best way to bypass the requirements is to make an autounnatend with Schneegans.de . Make a Win11 installation USB, generate an autounnatend to bypass the requirements, remove bloat, allow offline install (local account instead of Microsoft account), and a couple other little tweaks like dark mode etc. Drop the xml on the root of the flash drive, and boom.
Or… You know… Install Linux.
Rufus can do this too
