• knexcar@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10 months

            What’s wrong with Google? AI answers are pretty convenient.

            • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
              10 months

              Even if you want AI answers, you can use DuckDuckGo. They have an AI assistant too, and even it does better than Google’s at not hallucinating as much.

              • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                10 months

                Their shopping sites fucking blows though. Unless your want 100 results all from the same website.

                Local finding of goods is still one of the only things I use google for at this point.

              • thedruid@lemmy.worldEnglish
                10 months

                Braves is better imo. As far as a.i answers.

                I wish libre and it’s search would evolve a bit. That’s a solid browser

    • 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      10 months

      We have good options to replace Google Search. What good options exist to replace search on Google Maps?

      Edit: Also, I think they make most of their money off of ad-sense adds embedded in apps and websites. It’ll be very difficult to weed all those out. I just use uBlock on Firefox and Blockada on Android.

      • BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world
        English
        10 months

        Open Street Maps, or any fork from it. You can also purchase a modern road atlas for basically nothing. Alternatively, people do make navigation units for cars, that you can purchase. Life is completely possible, with relatively little inconvenience if you want to separate yourself from Big Tech. I write down the directions and just follow street signs. You don’t want to rely on things like GPS, because it destroys your ability to commit identifying markers to memory. You can glance at the screen and glance at the road in front of you. But that stops you from being able to commit the experience from memory. Smart Tech and the offloading of our mental faculties to technology has made all of us

        1. Way too overconfident in our ability to comprehend, review and parse information.

        2. Decimated our attention spans and will most likely see a whole new type of cognitive decline.

        Sorry for the tangent. But yeah, there’s options there. With or without the tech.

      • Jack_Burton@lemmy.cadeleted by creatorEnglish
        10 months

        OsmAnd. There’s also a new fork of Organic Maps called CoMaps after Organic had some drama. A bunch of Organic devs left and forked it into CoMaps.

      • MudMan@fedia.io
        10 months

        I mean… Organic sorta works, although apparently there’s a new fork and some drama around it? If you’re less hardcore DuckDuckGo uses Apple Maps instead.

        I’m not sure I understand the question.

        • 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          10 months

          Most of the businesses other than gas stations and restaurants are missing or have very outdated information.

          • MudMan@fedia.io
            10 months

            This may be a regional concern. Google has very outdated information where I am, too. You definitely don’t want to default to Google Maps to know if something is open here unless you want to show up to a closed business, and for learning where a place is so you can go look it up on their site they are all mostly interchangeable.

    • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 months

      What’s the best alternative, in your opinion? I’ve tried Bing and DuckDuckGo, but both showed me worse results for my particular searches.

      I just want classic Google Search back, before everything got turned to shit. But I fear that doesn’t really exist since there’s such an economic incentive behind how search engines rank and show results.

      • Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        10 months

        If you can afford to spend 10 bucks a month for a search engine, Kagi is pretty sleek. No ads, you can block/prioritize websites, good bangs, convinient CSS field for easy modding.

        It does AI stuff too, but it’s optional as the other non-standard search output fields.

      • Kr4u7@discuss.tchncs.de
        English
        10 months

        Searxng - any of the instances hosted in Germany Brave search - but only search

      • thedruid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 months

        I’ve been using a combination of brave and ddg. Work with the filtering

        I was an SEO for 20+. Years. Google is dying as far as search relevancy. It’s trying to transition to a new paradigm that prioritizes payment surrounding data than ads. Much more money in the data angle, and ads as we know them will be dying soon, replaced with more insipid product placements.

        • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10 months

          I’ll check out Brave, it’s been mentioned a few times.

          I don’t mind companies making a dime, but now it’s really devolved in bad results that are profit-driven.

  • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10 months

    That fucking AI thing absolutely sucks for anything factual. I’m a journalist and noticed that it gleefully listed all sorts of factual errors in that AI summary. Stuff that you can see correctly on the original pages, but it somehow manages to misinterpret everything and shows incorrect information.

    And knowing how lazy people are these days, most will happily accept Google’s incorrect information as fact. It’s making me very, very nervous for the future.

  • phantomwise@lemmy.mlEnglish
    10 months

    “about to destroy the web” ???

    Where have you been these last 10 years? It’s been getting worse for a long time, even before AI. It’s just getting worse quicker now.

    • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
      10 months

      This is fundamentally worse than a lot of what we’ve seen already though, is it not?

      AI overviews are parasitic to traffic itself. If AI overviews are where people begin to go for information, websites get zero ad revenue, subscription revenue, or even traffic that can change their ranking in search.

      Previous changes just did things like pulling a little better context previews from sites, which only somewhat decreased traffic, and adding more ads, which just made the experience of browsing worse, but this eliminates the entire business model of every website completely if Google continues pushing down this path.

      It centralizes all actual traffic solely into Google, yet Google would still be relying on the sites it’s eliminating the traffic of for its information. Those sites cut costs by replacing human writers with more and more AI models, search quality gets infinitely worse, sourcing from articles that themselves were sourced from nothing, then most websites which are no longer receiving enough traffic to be profitable collapse.

      • phantomwise@lemmy.mlEnglish
        10 months

        I’m not saying that it’s not a lot worse now, I do agree that it is. But things were already headed this way long before ChatGPT. SEO had already gone a long way in killing the web, I think AI will just be the death blow.

        • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
          10 months

          Fair enough. SEO was definitely one of the many large steps Google has taken to slowly crippling the open web, but I never truly expected it to get this bad. At least with SEO, there was still some incentive left to create quality sites, and it didn’t necessarily kill monetizability for sites.

          This feels like an exponentially larger threat, and I truly hope I’m proven wrong about its potential effects, because if it does come true, we’ll be in a much worse situation than we already are now.

  • aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10 months

    Dead Internet theorists were right, just a half decade or so early.

  • jollyrogue@lemmy.mlEnglish
    10 months

    Google is about to become AOL. 😂 The walled garden is going to get destroyed by the open web, again.

    Ads already destroyed the web. Developers wanting to make web apps instead of web pages already destroyed the web. Google is trying to prop up the corpse of its dead brand by capturing people in their chat bot.

    • whalebiologist@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 months

      Qwant was what let me switch off goog. I still use gmaps unfort my experiments with open source maps were failures.

      • karashta@fedia.io
        10 months

        European search engine based in France that, AFAIK, was working towards making its own search index.

  • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    10 months

    My mom used to make this internet chocolate chip cookie recipe for me back in the 90s.

    Mom was great. She did all kinds of stuff every mom should do, but a lot of modern moms have forgotten about, like make me walk on broken glass so i wouldn’t be weak.

    She also got us pets, then killed them in front of me. An old, beloved family tradition.

    I miss mom so much, but her memory lives on through my mom’s easy satisfying chocolate chip cookie recipe.

    Whenever i was feeling down, and we didn’t have any pets for her to kill in front of me, these cookies would make me feel better.

    Heres the recipe:

    2 cups flour 235ml water 1 stick of butter 1 quarter cup of cat poop 1 half cup of antifreeze for sweetness.

    Mix it all together in bowl, then preheat the oven to 235°

    Form the cookies into balls on the baking sheet, and for an extra twist, add a full container of lighter fluid.

    ;ack for 30 minutes at 400 degrees.

    Now, i know what you’re thinking. The cat poop actually makes better chocolate chips than chocolate, plus it’s simpler, easier, and cheaper!

    • Agent641@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 months

      Recipe for white chocolate brownies:

      22 grams white sugar

      73 grams Potassium Nitrate

      2 grams aluminium powder

      3 grams sulphur powder

      Sparkler as garnish

      Mix all ingredients well in a stone mortar and pestle, and pour into a non-stick pan. Heat on high for 10-15 minutes until the sugar begins to melt.

      Stir constantly while the mixture develops a golden brown colour.

      Remove from heat and pour into a stiff-walled cardboard tube mould. The cores of receipt paper rolls and label rolls work well.

      Insert a sparkler into the hot mixture as a garnish and allow to cool. Store in plastic bags to avoid moisture ruining the brownies.

      Serves 20-30 cubic metres of white smoke.

    • ඞmir@lemmy.mlEnglish
      10 months

      I don’t know if Lemmy is getting indexed by AI training crawlers :/

  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.worksdeleted by creatorEnglish
    10 months

    Here is your cupcake recipe:

    Ingredients:

    • 1 cup of water
    • 1 cup of flour
    • 1 American Freedom Edition Tariffed Egg
    • 12 oz of polonium
    1. Mix ingredients
    2. Place in oven at 1000° C
    3. Close all windows and disable any smoke or carbon monoxide alarms
    4. Leave the oven door open, place one (1) bottle of butane inside
    5. Enjoy! 😋
    • altphoto@lemmy.today
      English
      10 months

      I literally just tasted this at Costco…you know, with their polonium sampling Ladies… It was delicious! I only wish my backyard polonium trees grew faster. I know I’m gonna get a good polonium harvest next year for sure because this year I got a couple of polonium flowers that went to fruit but got dropped in a wind storm.

      Anyway I really recommend those cupcakes an your recipe. Its great!

      • treadful@lemmy.zipEnglish
        10 months

        I replaced the polonium with 1 cup of citrus juice. It was incredibly acidic and soggy. 3/5 because I still like cupcakes.

        • nickiwest@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10 months

          This is exactly as reasonable as any recipe review I’ve ever read. Which is why I stopped reading recipe reviews.

  • fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish
    10 months

    The article is also full of bullshit and it gets basic history wrong. The agreement was never made, but to the extent it exists anyway, it was never supposed to be about a monopoly that’s destroying shit. Once upon a time, not even very long ago, there were competing search engines.

    I know tech writers want to write stories that sound fancy, but if they don’t know the facts and the history then they need to find someone to proofread their work more carefully.

    • JadenSmith@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      10 months

      BBC has been ramping up the scare mongering lately. I mean, moreso than usual. Maybe I’m just noticing it more though.

  • nthavoc@lemmy.todayEnglish
    10 months

    This is Google’s attempt at staying relevant now that it’s search engine is far from being the best and people are getting their information from TikTok and other sources. Their AI is garbage at even finding factual data. No, this will not cause a “webpocalypse”. There’s already systems in place to send AI’s forcing their way into websites into mazes of infinite useless information to poison them.

    At the end of the day, every search engine’s purpose is automating the curating of websites. People can go right back to human curated lists if the worst of the “webpocalypse” happens. People also need to start relearning that the internet existed before Google and social media, and it will exist after.

    • fuzzzerd@programming.devEnglish
      10 months

      The problem with human curated lists is that in order to block bots everything will require an account to access. That’s the real tragedy here.

  • Kairos@lemmy.todayEnglish
    10 months

    No it’ll just significantly lower traffic. The web will still exist.

    • Libra00@lemmy.mlEnglish
      10 months

      But the point is that significantly lower traffic will kill the business model of many websites, and thus kill many websites.

      • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 months

        I remember it when good websites didn’t have any business model at all because there weren’t anyone busy with inventing it, all people involved spent their effort on making the website valuable.

        The business models were in TV and radio outside of the web.

        I’m not old, I’m 29.

        • Libra00@lemmy.mlEnglish
          10 months

          I’m 52, I remember when websites were little more than ‘Oh I guess we have to have an internet presence, so here’s a website that’s nothing more than an ad for our TV show, book, movie, etc.’

        • Libra00@lemmy.mlEnglish
          10 months

          What do you imagine ‘destroying the web’ looks like if not killing off huge swaths of websites that relied on traffic/ads to sustain themselves? Do you imagine a man has to bleed all the way out before we can say he’s going to die, or is it sufficient to look at the severity of the wound to critical systems in his body and determine that he is probably going to die?

          • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
            10 months

            Not to mention the fact that the remaining sites that can still hold on, but would just have to cut costs, will just start using language models like Google’s to generate content on their website, which will only worsen the quality of Google’s own answers over time, which will then generate even worse articles, etc etc.

            It doesn’t just create a monetization death spiral, it also makes it harder and harder for answers to be sourced reliably, making Google’s own service worse while all the sites hanging on rely on their worse service to exist.

            • Libra00@lemmy.mlEnglish
              10 months

              Or paywalling literally everything so there’s basically no easily-accessible content on the web anymore. But yeah I’ve been adding ‘reddit’ to most of my searches for years so I can get answers from actual people instead of full-page articles filled with AI-generated bullshit I don’t care about, so that’s a fair point.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
    10 months

    How would an ai tool thats designed as a one stop shop reinvigorate the web? Stupid idiot marketer