Also why does everyone seem to hate on Ubuntu?

  • TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    The shortest answer -

    Arch has really good documentation and a release style that works for a lot of people.

    Ubuntu is coorporitized and less reliable Debian with features that many people dont need or want.

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    3 months ago

    Arch Hits the great spot

    It has:

    • a great wiki
    • many packages, enough for anything you want to do
    • its the only distros that is beetween everything done for you and gentoo-like fuck you.
    • and the Memes.
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    3 months ago

    I like arch because:

    • it is rolling release and I like having up to date software and not having to deal with distro upgrades breaking things
    • it is community run and not beholden to a company
    • packages are mostly unmodified from their upstream
    • the wiki and forums are the best of any distro
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    3 months ago

    Normal people who use Arch don’t bring it up much, because they’re all sick of the memes and are really, REALLY tired of immediately being called rude elitist neckbeard cultists every time they mention it.

    The Ubuntu hate is because Canonical has a long history of making weird, controversial decisions that split the Linux community for no good reason.

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          Unity would be the first example, and although Unity was actually a good DE,
          it was too bloated and almost non-modifiable.

          People jumped ship to Linux Mint that had its priorities straight.

          Mir and Snap were bigger issues though
          as Wayland and Flatpak were great replacements for
          X11 and AppImage and did not need another competitor.

          But the privacy issues were the straw that broke the camel’s back.
          People left windows for linux so they wouldn’t have to deal with this kind of nonsense.

          I actually jumped when Ubuntu jumped to Gnome 3.
          Gnome 3 was too bloated for me and it looked ugly.

          I decided to see what Arch Linux was about
          and eventually settled for Manjaro Linux.
          Arch + Xfce for the win.

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            3 months ago

            I left Ubuntu after Unity, it could have been the greatest thing ever, but Canonical deciding what was best for me felt too much like Microsoft just shoving whatever garbage they wanted to my system.

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    3 months ago

    About 10 years ago it was The Distro for first time linux users to prove they were a True Linux Enjoyer. Think a bunch of channers bragging about how they are the true linux master race because they edited a grub config.

    Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo. Since then that role has transitioned to NixOS who aren’t nearly as toxic but still culty. “Way of the future” etc.

    All three of have high bars of entry so everyone has to take pride in the effort they put in to learn how to install their distro. Like getting hazed into a frat except you actually learn something.

    The Ubuntu hatred is completely unrelated. That has to do with them being a corporate distro that keep making bad design decisions. And their ubiquity means everyone has to deal with their bad decisions. (snap bad)

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      Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo.

      To add, before the change the Gentoo wiki was a top resource when it came to Linux questions. Even if you didn’t use Gentoo you could find detailed information on how various parts of Linux worked.

      One day the Gentoo wiki died. It got temporary mirrors quickly, but it took a long time to get up and working again. This left a huge opening for another wiki, the Arch wiki, to become the new top resource.

      I suspect, for a number of reasons, Arch was always going to replace Gentoo as the “True Linux Explorer”, but the wiki outage accelerated it.

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    3 months ago

    I use Ubuntu professionally and Arch at home

    Anything that’s not Windows is my preference.

    I love arch because I know what’s in it and how to fix it and what to expect, the community is mostly very nice and open to help

    AUR is great and using pacman feels lovely

    I also care about learning and understanding the system I’m using beyond just using a GUI that does everything for me

    Ubuntu is not bad it’s probably one of the most used distros by far

    Linux motto is: Use what you like and customize it how you like because there is no company forcing you to do things their way

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    I left Ubuntu for Arch because I got sick of Arch having everything I wanted and Ubuntu taking ages to finally get it. I was tired of compiling shit all the time just to keep up to date.

    Honestly glad I made the change, too. Arch has been so much better all around. Less bloat and far fewer problems.

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    3 months ago

    I feel like it isn’t really specific to arch, every distro has a following, but some are more “passionate” about it than others. I think arch, NixOS, and gentoo are the most notable.

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    My way of thinking and working is incompatible with most premade automatism, it utterly confuses me when a system is doing something on its own without me configuring it that way.

    That’s why I have issues with many of the “easy” distributions like Ubuntu. Those want to be to helpful for my taste. Don’t take me wrong, I am not against automatism or helper tools/functions, not at all. I just want to have full knowledge and full control of them.

    I used Gentoo for years and it was heaven for me, the possibility to turn every knob exactly like I wanted them to be was so great, but in the end was the time spend compiling everything not worth it.

    That’s why I changed to Arch Linux. The bare bone nature of the base install and the high flexibility of pacman and the AUR are ideal for me. I love that Arch is not easy, that it doesn’t try to anticipate what I want to do. If something happens automatically it is because I configured the system do behave that way.

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    IMO Despite some unjustified rumors Arch is a very stable distro. For me it feels the same as Debian stability wise while still being on the cutting edge side. The Arch wiki is the second most important reason.

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      The problem there is that stable vs unstable distro uses a slightly different meaning of the word stable than you would use to talk about a stable vs unstable system.

      In distro speak, a stable distro is one that changes very little over time, and an unstable one is one that changes constantly. That’s sort of tangentially related to reliability, in that if your system is reliable and doesn’t change then it’s likely to stay that way, but it’s not the same thing as reliability.

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    Arch is better because…

    • pacman, seriously, I don’t hear enough of how great pacman is.
      Being able to search easily for files within a package is a godsend when some app refuses to work giving you an error message “lib_obscure.so.1 cannot be found”.
      I haven’t had such issues in a long time, but when I do, I don’t have to worry about doing a ten hour search, if I’m lucky, for where this obscure library file is supposed to be located and in what package it should be part of.
    • rolling release. Non-rolling Ubuntu half-year releases have broken my OS in the past around 33% of the time. And lots of apps in the past had essential updates I needed, but required me to wait 5 months for the OS to catch up.
    • AUR. Some apps can’t be found anywhere but AUR.
    • Their wiki is the best of all Linuxes

    The “cult” is mostly gushing over AUR.

  • audaxdreik@pawb.social
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    3 months ago

    I don’t really have a concise answer, but allow me to ramble from personal experience for a bit:

    I’m a sysadmin that was VERY heavily invested in the Microsoft ecosystem. It was all I worked with professionally and really all I had ever used personally as well. I grew up with Windows 3.1 and just kept on from there, although I did mess with Linux from time to time.

    Microsoft continues to enshittify Windows in many well-documented ways. From small things like not letting you customize the Start menu and task bar, to things like microstuttering from all the data it’s trying to load over the web, to the ads it keeps trying to shove into various corners. A million little splinters that add up over time. Still, I considered myself a power user, someone able to make registry tweaks and PowerShell scripts to suit my needs.

    Arch isn’t particularly difficult for anyone who is comfortable with OSes and has excellent documentation. After installation it is extremely minimal, coming with a relatively bare set of applications to keep it functioning. Using the documentation to make small decisions for yourself like which photo viewer or paint app to install feels empowering. Having all those splinters from Windows disappear at once and be replaced with a system that feels both personal and trustworthy does, in a weird way, kind of border on an almost religious experience. You can laugh, but these are the tools that a lot of us live our daily lives on, for both work and play. Removing a bloated corporation from that chain of trust does feel liberating.


    As to why particularly Arch? I think it’s just that level of control. I admit it’s not for everyone, but again, if you’re at least somewhat technically inclined, I absolutely believe it can be a great first distro, especially for learning. Ubuntu has made some bad decisions recently, but even before that, I always found myself tinkering with every install until it became some sort of Franken-Debian monster. And I like pacman way better than apt, fight me, nerds.