Also why does everyone seem to hate on Ubuntu?

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    6 months ago

    The shortest answer -

    Arch has really good documentation and a release style that works for a lot of people.

    Ubuntu is coorporitized and less reliable Debian with features that many people dont need or want.

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    About 10 years ago it was The Distro for first time linux users to prove they were a True Linux Enjoyer. Think a bunch of channers bragging about how they are the true linux master race because they edited a grub config.

    Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo. Since then that role has transitioned to NixOS who aren’t nearly as toxic but still culty. “Way of the future” etc.

    All three of have high bars of entry so everyone has to take pride in the effort they put in to learn how to install their distro. Like getting hazed into a frat except you actually learn something.

    The Ubuntu hatred is completely unrelated. That has to do with them being a corporate distro that keep making bad design decisions. And their ubiquity means everyone has to deal with their bad decisions. (snap bad)

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      Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo.

      To add, before the change the Gentoo wiki was a top resource when it came to Linux questions. Even if you didn’t use Gentoo you could find detailed information on how various parts of Linux worked.

      One day the Gentoo wiki died. It got temporary mirrors quickly, but it took a long time to get up and working again. This left a huge opening for another wiki, the Arch wiki, to become the new top resource.

      I suspect, for a number of reasons, Arch was always going to replace Gentoo as the “True Linux Explorer”, but the wiki outage accelerated it.

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      This is it mostly for sure. I used to be that True Linux Enjoyer. I still install arch sometimes but I only ever use an arch-derived distribution now that comes with an installer. I already feel like there’s not enough time in the day without having to manually copy files off a USB stick

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        6 months ago

        None of the usual installers can do what I want unfortunately, so I’m stuck doing it myself.

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            6 months ago

            BTRFS with LUKS (OpenSUSE gets close), but using rEFInd as bootloader. Snapper snapshots, Zram.

            I’m actually thinking about switching to systemd-boot with Secure Boot, TPM2 and stuff, so even further from mainstream installers.

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              Last time I used EndeavourOS, I managed to get the graphical installer to install BTRFS on LUKS, it did require custom partitioning in the graphical installer, snapper just worked after that.

              Zram (or was it Zswap?) was pretty easy to enable after installatiok

              The bootloader might be beyond what the graphical installer can do though… I never really bothered switching…

  • underscores@lemmy.zip
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    I use Ubuntu professionally and Arch at home

    Anything that’s not Windows is my preference.

    I love arch because I know what’s in it and how to fix it and what to expect, the community is mostly very nice and open to help

    AUR is great and using pacman feels lovely

    I also care about learning and understanding the system I’m using beyond just using a GUI that does everything for me

    Ubuntu is not bad it’s probably one of the most used distros by far

    Linux motto is: Use what you like and customize it how you like because there is no company forcing you to do things their way

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    I like arch because:

    • it is rolling release and I like having up to date software and not having to deal with distro upgrades breaking things
    • it is community run and not beholden to a company
    • packages are mostly unmodified from their upstream
    • the wiki and forums are the best of any distro
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    Arch Hits the great spot

    It has:

    • a great wiki
    • many packages, enough for anything you want to do
    • its the only distros that is beetween everything done for you and gentoo-like fuck you.
    • and the Memes.
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    Normal people who use Arch don’t bring it up much, because they’re all sick of the memes and are really, REALLY tired of immediately being called rude elitist neckbeard cultists every time they mention it.

    The Ubuntu hate is because Canonical has a long history of making weird, controversial decisions that split the Linux community for no good reason.

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          Unity would be the first example, and although Unity was actually a good DE,
          it was too bloated and almost non-modifiable.

          People jumped ship to Linux Mint that had its priorities straight.

          Mir and Snap were bigger issues though
          as Wayland and Flatpak were great replacements for
          X11 and AppImage and did not need another competitor.

          But the privacy issues were the straw that broke the camel’s back.
          People left windows for linux so they wouldn’t have to deal with this kind of nonsense.

          I actually jumped when Ubuntu jumped to Gnome 3.
          Gnome 3 was too bloated for me and it looked ugly.

          I decided to see what Arch Linux was about
          and eventually settled for Manjaro Linux.
          Arch + Xfce for the win.

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            I left Ubuntu after Unity, it could have been the greatest thing ever, but Canonical deciding what was best for me felt too much like Microsoft just shoving whatever garbage they wanted to my system.

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    I left Ubuntu for Arch because I got sick of Arch having everything I wanted and Ubuntu taking ages to finally get it. I was tired of compiling shit all the time just to keep up to date.

    Honestly glad I made the change, too. Arch has been so much better all around. Less bloat and far fewer problems.

  • Arch is amazing for what it is, hence the love. It’s what you make of it; by default there’s nothing and you design your own system from scratch. This leads to a very passionate and enthusiastic community who do great work for one another, for everybody’s benefit. Anything under the sun can be found in the AUR, the distro repos are fresh and reliable, and every issue that arises has a hundred people documenting the fix before it’s patched.

    Ubuntu has a bad reputation for inconsistency, privacy invasive choices, etc. I don’t think all the hate is deserved, as they corrected course after the Amazon search fiasco, but I still won’t use it because of Snaps. They have a proprietary backend, so even if I wanted to put up with their other strange design decisions I can’t unless I wanted closed source repos. That goes against my whole philosophy and reasoning for being on Linux to begin with, and many feel the same.

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    So I love Debian but it prides itself on stability so packages tend to be older. I think this is good for a server but probably not great for a desktop. Ubuntu came along and was like we’ll be like Debian but newer packages. Everything was cool for a while but then they started doing shitty things. The first that I can think of was ads in the terminal. This was not great for an open source app. Then when you did apt install firefox it installed Firefox as a snap. WTF?!?!? (apt should install .deb files, not snaps). Because of this, lately I’ve decided to avoid Ubuntu.

    I used Gentoo for a while and it was great but configuring and compiling everything took forever. I’m getting too old for that. Arch seems like a good alternative for people who want to mess with their system. So it’s become a way for people to claim they know what they are doing without having to recompile everything. (Note: I haven’t used Arch, this is just my perception)

    Recently I got a new laptop and I had decided to put Linux on it and had to decide what distro. Arch was in consideration but I ended up going with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed because it’s got the latest but I don’t really have to configure anything. If I had more time, I might go with something like Arch but I don’t really want to do that much fiddling right now.

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        Arch was just blue Gentoo

        I don’t know if that ever was true but I definitely disagree with that nowadays because Arch is in my opinion significantly more approachable and easier to daily-drive than Gentoo.

  • audaxdreik@pawb.social
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    6 months ago

    I don’t really have a concise answer, but allow me to ramble from personal experience for a bit:

    I’m a sysadmin that was VERY heavily invested in the Microsoft ecosystem. It was all I worked with professionally and really all I had ever used personally as well. I grew up with Windows 3.1 and just kept on from there, although I did mess with Linux from time to time.

    Microsoft continues to enshittify Windows in many well-documented ways. From small things like not letting you customize the Start menu and task bar, to things like microstuttering from all the data it’s trying to load over the web, to the ads it keeps trying to shove into various corners. A million little splinters that add up over time. Still, I considered myself a power user, someone able to make registry tweaks and PowerShell scripts to suit my needs.

    Arch isn’t particularly difficult for anyone who is comfortable with OSes and has excellent documentation. After installation it is extremely minimal, coming with a relatively bare set of applications to keep it functioning. Using the documentation to make small decisions for yourself like which photo viewer or paint app to install feels empowering. Having all those splinters from Windows disappear at once and be replaced with a system that feels both personal and trustworthy does, in a weird way, kind of border on an almost religious experience. You can laugh, but these are the tools that a lot of us live our daily lives on, for both work and play. Removing a bloated corporation from that chain of trust does feel liberating.


    As to why particularly Arch? I think it’s just that level of control. I admit it’s not for everyone, but again, if you’re at least somewhat technically inclined, I absolutely believe it can be a great first distro, especially for learning. Ubuntu has made some bad decisions recently, but even before that, I always found myself tinkering with every install until it became some sort of Franken-Debian monster. And I like pacman way better than apt, fight me, nerds.