Not really. They’re not making consumer grade stuff, they’re making hardware for data centers so unless you’re planning on doing a DIY data center you’re not buying the hardware. Hard drives are likely an exception.
You’re more likely to see cheap VPS services than cheap secondhand hardware.
Sure but that will only be in the immediate, especially as the manufacturers rush to trying to produce consumer and industry shit once the AI cow goes bust. There’ll be an immediate rush of these things being sold 5090 prices only to drop down to 1090 or lower prices once they start liquidating stock to write off and the scrappers start selling these things for pennies on the dollar.
Being in the self-hosted community I know people buy used enterprise servers to set up their own services, but consumers who buy enterprise servers probably make up less than 1% of all the consumers who buy hardware.
Don’t you worry it’s gonna have a global impact againjudt like it did in 08. Imagine losing your job in Italy for instance cause some bankers got ultra rich in the US. What a dumb fucking world.
It had a huge impact though stimulus packages that Labor created under Kevin Rudd meant that Australia had the best recovery out of all the OECD nations.
I would have bet that the Australian English spelling would be like the British English spelling, since Australian English tends towards the British English end of the spectrum rather than the American English. Especially since names tend to persist, and it’s probably been around for a while.
goes to check Wikipedia to see whether it was renamed
Interesting. Not exactly. The article uses “labour”, and has a section dealing specifically with this:
In standard Australian English, the word labour is spelt with a u. However, the political party uses the spelling Labor, without a u. There was originally no standardised spelling of the party’s name, with Labor and Labour both in common usage. According to Ross McMullin, who wrote an official history of the Labor Party, the title page of the proceedings of the Federal Conference used the spelling “Labor” in 1902, “Labour” in 1905 and 1908, and then “Labor” from 1912 onwards.[11] In 1908, James Catts put forward a motion at the Federal Conference that “the name of the party be the Australian Labour Party”, which was carried by 22 votes to 2. A separate motion recommending state branches adopt the name was defeated. There was no uniformity of party names until 1918 when the Federal party resolved that state branches should adopt the name “Australian Labor Party”, now spelt without a u. Each state branch had previously used a different name, due to their different origins.[12][a]
Although the ALP officially adopted the spelling without a u, it took decades for the official spelling to achieve widespread acceptance.[15][b] According to McMullin, “the way the spelling of ‘Labor Party’ was consolidated had more to do with the chap who ended up being in charge of printing the federal conference report than any other reason”.[19] Some sources have attributed the official choice of Labor to influence from King O’Malley, who was born in the United States and was reputedly an advocate of English-language spelling reform; the spelling without a u is the standard form in American English.[20][21]
Andrew Scott, who wrote “Running on Empty: ‘Modernising’ the British and Australian Labour Parties”, suggests that the adoption of the spelling without a u “signified one of the ALP’s earliest attempts at modernisation”, and served the purpose of differentiating the party from the Australian labour movement as a whole and distinguishing it from other British Empire labour parties. The decision to include the word “Australian” in the party’s name, rather than just “Labour Party” as in the United Kingdom, Scott attributes to “the greater importance of nationalism for the founders of the colonial parties”.[22]
A bunch of my friends were made redundant. Some had visas dependent on their work, employer sponsored and had to leave Australia. Heck, we call it the gfc as an acronym. We just didn’t have a general recession.
It destroyed the budget of scientific research in Spain. I was a Spanish researcher then. There was a point when universities couldn’t pay us the grant that the government had already assigned to us. Some of my peers missed rent. I heard stories of Spanish PhD. students stranded all over the world. I quit research (my dream job at the time) because of this crisis and never came back to it.
Happy you felt nothing in your happy little bubble.
It’s not if but when. Hopefully sooner rather than later. And you’re a fool if you think the implications won’t be felt around the world. Just like they were when Americans rammed the housing market into the ground. We live in a global economy.
Meh, not really a full collapse. Just like 75% of it and a huuuuge recession. Or maybe a “Tiny Depression”? Basically, 10 years to recover. Which is where we’re going anyway, with or without AI.
Except, i doubt anyone will be doing much with a 32 code Xenon CPU Windows snobs cant even run Windows on without a super giga 1000€ license for more than 16 Core CPUs
And the cuda only fanless and outputless GPU will also be kinda useless, especially because they all need a special setup to force feed air through the entire rack to not overheat
I mean it’s 64/128/256 cores for home/pro/workstation so not really. People buying aftermarket server parts that want windows can probably figure out how to type irm https://get.activated.win/ | iex if they don’t want to pay for it anyways lol.
And on top: ROK ISOs by hardware vendors by HPE (and probably lenovo) don’t have the trial time limit and can be run indefinitely without a license.
You only need to satisfy the requirement of running a supported motherboard during boot of the iso.
Well…Too bad that I can (unlike in ESXi) modify the manufacturer string in proxmox to say whatever I want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At work we sell servers by HPE.
We create Install-ISOs from the included install ISO.
At boot the Installer checks if the system is manufactured by the vendor.
If it is: It continues boot and offers you the installer options
If it is not: It will fail with a message that the manufacturer doesnt match.
On ESXi you need to pass the argument smbios.reflectHost = true (or something along those lines)
Dunno how HPE customized the install.wim
But you can probably get those for cheap on ebay and maybe compare the wims for differences.
Yeah I’ve reinstalled Windows on Dells and it just works without any hassle because it reads something in the bios that says it already has a Windows license. I was wondering what it reads that would be configured in Proxmox to allow the same. I would be nice to be able to create a Windows VM on the fly without any license setup or license bypass tricks during/after install. Instead it would just work because Proxmox tells it to.
Once installed it doesnt bother anymore with those checks.
So right now my state is essentially an eternal windows VM that doesnt let me change the wallpaper ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wait til all these projects crash, burn, and get liquidated. Gonna be an amazing secondary market for brand new, unused bulk hardware.
Not really. They’re not making consumer grade stuff, they’re making hardware for data centers so unless you’re planning on doing a DIY data center you’re not buying the hardware. Hard drives are likely an exception.
You’re more likely to see cheap VPS services than cheap secondhand hardware.
I’ve watched enough Bringus to know that anything can be used for gaming if you’re stubborn enough.
Oh absolutely, but I doubt anyone is paying the equivalent of a 5090 to get the performance of a 3060. Server GPU-s aren’t optimized for gaming.
Sure but that will only be in the immediate, especially as the manufacturers rush to trying to produce consumer and industry shit once the AI cow goes bust. There’ll be an immediate rush of these things being sold 5090 prices only to drop down to 1090 or lower prices once they start liquidating stock to write off and the scrappers start selling these things for pennies on the dollar.
I don’t know many people buy used server and JBODs. I wouldn’t say that consumers don’t buy them.
Being in the self-hosted community I know people buy used enterprise servers to set up their own services, but consumers who buy enterprise servers probably make up less than 1% of all the consumers who buy hardware.
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But you won’t be able to afford it because the market crash means you lose your job.
I think people don’t realise that if AI fails, it’s pretty much guaranteed to collapse the US economy.
I’ve lived though several “one in a live time” crashes.
Don’t you worry it’s gonna have a global impact againjudt like it did in 08. Imagine losing your job in Italy for instance cause some bankers got ultra rich in the US. What a dumb fucking world.
Ha! Jokes on you. My state is so poor it was the least affected by the 2008 crisis. Wait, that still sucks, only more…
I don’t think 2008 really had a significant effect in Australia. I don’t remember hearing much about it.
It had a huge impact though stimulus packages that Labor created under Kevin Rudd meant that Australia had the best recovery out of all the OECD nations.
I would have bet that the Australian English spelling would be like the British English spelling, since Australian English tends towards the British English end of the spectrum rather than the American English. Especially since names tend to persist, and it’s probably been around for a while.
goes to check Wikipedia to see whether it was renamed
Interesting. Not exactly. The article uses “labour”, and has a section dealing specifically with this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party
Thanks for sharing with the class.
A bunch of my friends were made redundant. Some had visas dependent on their work, employer sponsored and had to leave Australia. Heck, we call it the gfc as an acronym. We just didn’t have a general recession.
I didn’t feel anything of it in Europe.
It destroyed the budget of scientific research in Spain. I was a Spanish researcher then. There was a point when universities couldn’t pay us the grant that the government had already assigned to us. Some of my peers missed rent. I heard stories of Spanish PhD. students stranded all over the world. I quit research (my dream job at the time) because of this crisis and never came back to it.
Happy you felt nothing in your happy little bubble.
I know plenty people who are currently homeless in Europe originally lost their job following the 2008 crash.
Fine.
The market is a joke, needs massive corrections.
Good luck everyone.
Do it, do it, do it, do it!
Yep, either way, your job is toast.
AI succeeds: AI takes your job.
AI fails: Economy crashes and you lose your job due to the crash.
It’s not if but when. Hopefully sooner rather than later. And you’re a fool if you think the implications won’t be felt around the world. Just like they were when Americans rammed the housing market into the ground. We live in a global economy.
Meh, not really a full collapse. Just like 75% of it and a huuuuge recession. Or maybe a “Tiny Depression”? Basically, 10 years to recover. Which is where we’re going anyway, with or without AI.
10 years on top of the generations to recover from economic and social policy being shat out by a deranged geriatric.
the remaining question is if its effects are additive or multiplicative
the remaining question is if its effects are additive or multiplicative
That would be awesome thank you
And if AI doesn’t fail, people will be unemployed.
Don’t threaten us with a good time.
Yes, of course
Except, i doubt anyone will be doing much with a 32 code Xenon CPU Windows snobs cant even run Windows on without a super giga 1000€ license for more than 16 Core CPUs
And the cuda only fanless and outputless GPU will also be kinda useless, especially because they all need a special setup to force feed air through the entire rack to not overheat
You clearly have a very restricted imagination about what ideas people could come up to use such hardware…
I mean it’s 64/128/256 cores for home/pro/workstation so not really. People buying aftermarket server parts that want windows can probably figure out how to type
irm https://get.activated.win/ | iexif they don’t want to pay for it anyways lol.I’m not using Windows servers at home but if I did then a license wouldn’t be a factor when deciding what hardware to buy.
And on top: ROK ISOs by hardware vendors by HPE (and probably lenovo) don’t have the trial time limit and can be run indefinitely without a license.
You only need to satisfy the requirement of running a supported motherboard during boot of the iso.
Well…Too bad that I can (unlike in ESXi) modify the manufacturer string in proxmox to say whatever I want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Could you point me to more info about that?
At work we sell servers by HPE.
We create Install-ISOs from the included install ISO.
At boot the Installer checks if the system is manufactured by the vendor.
If it is: It continues boot and offers you the installer options
If it is not: It will fail with a message that the manufacturer doesnt match.
On ESXi you need to pass the argument smbios.reflectHost = true (or something along those lines)
Dunno how HPE customized the install.wim
But you can probably get those for cheap on ebay and maybe compare the wims for differences.
Yeah I’ve reinstalled Windows on Dells and it just works without any hassle because it reads something in the bios that says it already has a Windows license. I was wondering what it reads that would be configured in Proxmox to allow the same. I would be nice to be able to create a Windows VM on the fly without any license setup or license bypass tricks during/after install. Instead it would just work because Proxmox tells it to.
Once installed it doesnt bother anymore with those checks.
So right now my state is essentially an eternal windows VM that doesnt let me change the wallpaper ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
can’t it be activated with MAS?
https://massgrave.dev/
Year of the Linux Desktop! Any day now… any day… huffs copium
God, I hope so…