- 5 hours
I sincerely hope this fucks up the market. I hope all the other manufacturers get fucked right up their greedy fucking asses.
- Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
Except maybe in America if MAGA dreams up some tariffs because Freedom (Chinese EVs have entered the chat).
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish6 hours
Hoping you don’t have a 401k (if American) or any other sort of American or Global stock based ETF exposure because Micron is American. Or Asian ETFs that include Korea.
I mean obviously it’s a good thing that the triopoly finally has competition, but “they’re Korean” is such a stupid take when tens or hundreds of millions of people’s retirement will be affected and one company out of the big 3 isn’t even from the same continent as Korea.
- plyth@feddit.orgEnglish11 hours
Micron Technology, Inc. is an American multinational semiconductor company that manufactures computer memory and computer data storage products, including dynamic random-access memory (DRAM), flash memory, and solid-state drives (SSDs). Founded in 1978 in Boise, Idaho, Micron is the only major American computer memory manufacturer.[
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish17 hours
The Chinese AI labs are really trying to pop the bubble, too.
How?
Well lemme ask you this. What if models 80-90% as good as Claude, with weights just thrown out there for any provider (or homelab) to host, flood the market? What if they’re so dirt cheap to run, they’re almost free, and don’t even need Nvidia GPUs? What they need fewer resources to run with each update, instead of more?
…What if this already happened, and Big Tech is maddly lobbying to ban/censor them before people realize it, and that the “infinite scaling” thing is a big fat lie?
That’s the state of things.
- FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
It turns out that off-shoring your economy to a political rival is a really dumb thing for a capitalist to do.
- 9 hours
Yep, the Chinese models are already up 10 times cheaper and now that Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, all are increasing prices up to 10 more for models like Opus, it will make Chinese models anywhere from 50 to 100 times cheaper.
American corps. are betting that since people have their workflow already established they won’t switch to other providers, but that’s not the case. There’s already a mass move to Chinese models.
- madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish8 hours
People keep talking about Chinese models, where are they? How do I used them instead of Claude? Are they safe?
5 hoursollama or llama.cpp to self host if you have a good mac or good video card. this is perfectly safe.
there are a bazillion hosted inference providers to choose from https://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/en/index be aware that you are sending your code to fuck knows who and they are sending back fuck knows what. ymmv, yolo.
hook one of them up to opencode.ai or pi.dev or one of the bazillion other ‘harneses’ or whatever we are calling it this week and try not to rm -r anything important.
for a good time try and get a chinese models to say something about tibet, or taiwan… its like having your own virtual tankie tamagochi!
- FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
be aware that you are sending your code to fuck knows who and they are sending back fuck knows what
So literally the same as Western-made AI?
- motruck@lemmy.zipEnglish2 hours
Yeah only the Chinese government is currently far better at working behind the scenes with companies than any other government in the world?
Incompetence is a feature of governments at times.
- FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
I trust the Chinese government more than American tech corporations. One side is socialist, the other side is fascist.
inference providers could be anyone from anywhere, there are even proxy resellers. some are harvesting and reselling your data.
if you send your code to claude/openai/google there is certainly a much higher degree of confidence in who you are sending your data to. yes they to harvest your data and can send you malicious commands (esp if you have a promp injection attack).
its like buying a cheap vps, if the stakes are low its fine, if it important then you need to consider about the consequences of your actions.
nb: i am no expert, just fucking around.
- BlackLaZoR@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
The most famous is Deepseek. It’s not even made by “AI” company, it was a side hustle from stock trading company. They released it for free just to flex.
- 7 hours
I hear people use minimax as replacement for sonnet and deepseek as replacement for opus, both can be used directly in Claude code instead of Anthropic models
In a way it has actually.
Deepseek was big because not only did they publish the full model for everyone to use, but the MoE structure significantly brought down the hardware requirements in terms of processing power. As long as you have enough VRAM, you can run it on older hardware with no need for the latest Nvidia stuff.
Now they got v4 which many have found to be within a 10% margin of Claude and ChatGPT.
On top of that, China has cheapo VRAM GPUs available or soon to be released, like the MTT S80. Yeah it sucks as a Graphics card because the chip is behind, but you get 16Gb of GDDR6 for much cheaper than anything else.
But its not a conspiracy to fight China. The infinite scaling was just Nvidia solidifying themselves as the monopoly because they want all AI infrastructure to be dependent on them, which is why they still illegally export to China, despite an export ban attempting to reduce their potential competition.
Moore Threads (MTT) already has their own CUDA like system called MUSA, and I’m sure they’ll be happy to put in proper hardware support for new stuff like Bf16 and FP8/4. It’ll take a few years, but eventually China will catch up to the point where Nvidia gets shanked by cheaper hardware.
Wasn’t there development of a linux translation layer for CUDA workloads to run on AMD GPUs? I haven’t heard about it in a while, but I’d imagine that’d help the situation.
- BlackLaZoR@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
You mean ZLUDA? AMD gave up on it and released the project on github.
Personally I dream for CUDA API implementation in open source GPU drivers on Linux. That would absolutely level the playing field for the whole industry
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish10 hours
MTT is just a pipe dream, last I checked. But Deepseek is actively being served, in mixed FP8/FP4, on racks of Huawei accelerators.
I believe Baidu trained a model on them, too. But most training (like Deepseek’s) is still done on CUDA.
…Also, be careful equating this stuff with any kind of “consumer friendly” hardware you or I could buy. That’s less likely. The Huawei accelerators (and other local Chinese hardware experiments) are geared towards huge servers serving requests in parallel.
- 9 hours
Agreed. I am not longer paying token fees as I am running QWEN 3.6 27B MTP on my 4090 GPU and it is as good and as fast as the frontier models for agentic coding.
- 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish16 hours
Hyper scaling was always about cornering the computer market, It was never about providing us some vastly new and superior service.
They should be strung up. And middle management needs to return to fucking school.
It’s like Kyle Kulinski said “I’m starting to understand re-education camps now”
- FauxLiving@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
Hyper scaling was always about cornering the computer market, It was never about providing us some vastly new and superior service.
Exactly, its a method of taking tens of billions of dollars in capital and buying a near monopoly. No other providers can compete if the hyperscalers buy all of the hardware, driving up the prices while also selling the service at a loss.
Nobody working out of their garage with a cool idea for a better service can compete if they can’t get hardware and have to charge double what the hyperscalers are charging because they can’t burn capital for years.
It’s a practice that should be considered illegal market manipulation, because that’s what it i
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- SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nzEnglish12 hours
‘Dumping’ is considered anti-competitive behaviour in a lot of places. This sounds a lot like that.
The state of things is what if, that’s true. It has not happened. :)
At some point, it should happen. Still not going to put a dent in the datacenter / dystopia rally though, since they will pick Nvidia and known brands.
- Peereboominc@piefed.socialEnglish13 hours
I just bought 2x 8gb ddr3 for €25 so I can play games from 10+ years ago.
- Sektor@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
You can try games from 20 or even 30 years ago. Plenty of bangers in any genre.
- Damage@feddit.itEnglish6 hours
All the Command and Conquer games
Dungeon Keeper
Carmageddon
I’d say Civ 3 but I don’t think modern ones require strong hardware
Baldur’s Gate
It’s not 20 years old but Tyranny is a great RPG - Sektor@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
Idk i didn’t play all that many games back then, Deus Ex, Return to castle Wolfenstein, Arma cold war assault, Vice City, Warcraft 2, Batrle realms, check those best games of all time lists. I mainly play racing games from back in the day, maybe you like different stuff. But if there is a community that takes care of the game to be up to modern resolutions and easy to run, it’s a good game worth trying out. Guy made a modernized port of the OG Medal of honor, it’s free and it’s alright. You can also emulate consoles so you can play Playstation 1 and 2 games, Nintendo and Sega stuff. I have like six golf games emulated on my phone, playing Silent Hill when i get a chance (good thing with emulation is you can save progress regardless of the game’s saves so you don’t need to grind like back on the day). For Dos games check out Exodos project. There are so many amazing games already made, polished and maintained by the community.
- Peereboominc@piefed.socialEnglish7 hours
Thanks! Good tips. I will save this comment for later reference.
Please, please bring the world back to sanity. I was like, literally saving up to expand my homelab when my main server went down and have been utterly slapped by prices.
so like, i have generational hoarder trauma. we’re not that bad, but we don’t throw away shit we can legitimately use if we have the room to store it without making a mess. so i have three extra PC boxes and two extra laptops on a shelf in the garage that i was waiting for the energy to go through, wipe the hard drive, see if there were any parts i wanted to use and blah blah blah. two days of work that i just really didn’t want to do, especially since one of them is emotional. now if anything burns out i have my spare parts cache sitting there and thank the machine god it won’t be too much of a downgrade.
- Dagnet@lemmy.worldEnglish20 hours
I bought a 2x32gb DDR4 kit for my home server just before it all went to shit. Feels good (though now I want to upgrade my gaming pc and I wish I had bought a DDR5 kit too)
- 18 hours
China has released their first gen competition to Nvidia cards. First ones kinda suck, but they’re cheap. Let them pump out a few more and they’ll drive the market back down.
- mecen@lemmy.caEnglish13 hours
More like competition to Intel considering these cards performance is similar to 3060
- knexcar@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
Is the 3060 that bad, I’ve been able to play a lot of games on a 750 TI still (though finally swapped for a 1650).
- bridgeburner@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
It’s not bad, I think you can play pretty much anything on 1080p with 60fps easily. It’s just that if you want to play games in 1440p or 4K with 120 fps+ you need something more powerful.
That’s not too bad. The next generation could be genuinely useful.
- SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish8 hours
I got many empty PCI-E slots. Having three or four 3060 clones to accompany my 4090 would make bigger models much more practical.
Isn’t Nvidia only bumping up the price of the 5090s? Or is there an update to that?
- saltesc@lemmy.worldEnglish14 hours
Someone had posted this recently
https://www.thegamer.com/graphics-card-price-hike-again/
Paragraphs 3 and 4, mostly.
Crazy how USA seems unable to keep up, and it appears its best chance of maintaining hegemony is bringing China down, not improving itself. Never expected to see this shift in my lifetime.
- FlyingCircus@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
Not really that crazy considering that the US’s entire economy is based around figuring out how to sell Chinese goods.
- JcbAzPx@lemmy.worldEnglish41 minutes
Yeah, back when we became a superpower, our strength was manufacturing. Then we let the parasites with money destroy all that and send most of it to our enemies. Now, even if it wasn’t too late, the people that destroyed it will never let us bring it back.
- stumu415@lemmy.zipEnglish14 hours
Just look at the EV’s. The CEO of Ford was shocked about the quality and innovation of the Chinese cars. He’s driving a Xiaomi SU7 and refuses to give it up. At least Canada is now free of the US chains and letting Chinese EV’s in. The movement is unstoppable in the rest of the world. The only place resisting innovation is the US with its current regime.
- SpaceMan9000@lemmy.worldEnglish12 hours
His current job is also as a spoke person for Chinese electric vehicles. So take that with a grain of salt.
- Alcoholicorn@mander.xyzEnglish9 hours
His current job is also as a spoke person for Chinese electric vehicles
The CEO of Ford? What are you talking about?
Crazy how USA seems unable to keep up
The decline started by the 70s.
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.worldEnglish14 hours
It’s been coming for a long time. While the rest of us have been fighting among ourselves, China stayed out of it all, and improved their country. I’m not surprised that they’ve emerged as a powerhouse, while we volunteered to give a lunatic the nukes.
Doesnt have anything to do with fighting with ourselves. America has never invested a lot of money into its own population and environment.
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.worldEnglish13 hours
A big part of that is because we blow the money on endless wars, which China doesn’t do.
Add that to their good-faith commitment to invest in, and substantially improve, their country, compared to our lack of investment in our own nation, which you mentioned.
I’m just saying, we shouldn’t be surprised. This is nothing new to anyone who’s been paying attention for a while.
Yeah and the wars are created by America many times, because its huge profits for the military industrial complex and also serves as a way to increase the American presence in countries with resources like oil.
The CIA is super good at what it does actually.
- Alcoholicorn@mander.xyzEnglish9 hours
They had a few hundred troops there as part of a UN peace-keeping force, who left with the rest of the UN troops in 2020 when the new government asked them to.
- Telorand@reddthat.comEnglish18 hours
Not really that crazy when you consider that the people in charge could have had a sweetheart deal with manufacturers in China, but they cut off all trade partners and all soft power channels, because they’re drooling buffoons who won’t accept that the US shifted to a global economy decades ago nor do they grasp how global economies work—mainly because they fired every expert under the pretense of “government waste.”
All they know how to do is grift and defraud, and the chance to maintain global hegemony is long past. It’s China’s time, now, and they know it.
- Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish6 hours
China are experimenting with what’s know as “market socialism”.
Socialism doesn’t exclude trade. Any country needs to trade to survive. Market socialism is a loosening of the grip on capital by the state so that individual citizens can be entrepreneurial, inventive, and start businesses of their own.
The difference compared to capitalism is that with market socialism, businesses that do amazingly well and which become massive corporations like Tencent eventually get nationalized and folded into public ownership. Profits from those corporations get distributed throughout the nation rather than hoarded by the top 0.1%.
People trained in Marxian economics tend to understand capitalism better than stidents of mainstream capitalist economics. China’s using capitalism for what it’s good for - expanding the producive force of the economy, figuring out how to make new products efficiently, and making wide variety of consumer goods. The state still retains control over the capitalist sectors throurh various means. It also owns strategic sectors like banks, etc. The state is controlled via the CCP with membership of over 10% of the pop and growing. It’s an open question whether they’re gonna lose control over the capitalist sector or not but so far it’s subordinate to the state. In capitalist economies the state (and democracy} tend to be subordinate to capital.
- Azal@pawb.socialEnglish15 hours
This is one of those troubles with the whole “communist” and “capitalist” things. None of them are actually truly what they say they are.
China and USSR started competing hard core on the global scale in the capitalism games, and lets be honest, look at China now and it’s fully on the capitalism train while still calling communist.
But that isn’t to say the US is any better on the capitalism wagon. The US is quite happy to drop capitalism if a company desires it. This is where we get our "too big to fail"s or companies that are given “loans” during the pandemic that they never have to pay back.
It’s almost like the terms are a joke by the upper echelon to fuck with the rest of us.
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish14 hours
Perhaps ideological purism was never a good idea?
…Like history suggests?
Hence my radical preference: “a la carte” economic systems. Shameless capitalism, frothing communism, anarchism, authoritarian technocracy, even theocratic systems, they all excel in certain sectors and not others. Sometimes, in nutty combinations.
So why idealize one?
A “mix” has been reality for a long time, anyway, but I think that should be embraced more explicitly. Get systems where they’re good instead of shoehorning them where they’re horrific.
- SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish8 hours
I figure that mixing is a good idea, and that was the basis of the “Universal Living” economic system that I have been writing up over the years. Universal Basic Income and socialism is great for establishing a foundation that people can rely upon, but it sucks at offering things that make people unique. Capitalism is terrific at making people into unique individuals, but is horrific at ensuring their basic wellbeing.
As such, socialism should be used to ensure everyone has decent necessities and stability, while money should solely be used for luxury things. Everyone gets a house, but you use money for a bigger house. A basic car is free, but a bigger gas guzzler has to be bought. If the basic car is damaged, just trade it in to the government and get a fresh one - the government keeps the old universal car, either repairing it back into service or scrapping it. Healthcare for most things are free, but cosmetic beautification like butt lifts, cost money. Ozempic is free, because less obesity is good across the board. And so on.
IMO, free basic goods and services would also help regulate the pricing of capitalist luxury, because they are competing against free. That makes it harder to rip off society. Also, if everyone has what they need, they aren’t blackmailed into working for bad corporations or breaking themselves to survive. Work, is just to earn money for cool things in life, but isn’t strictly required. People work by choice.
This translates into people pursuing aspects of life that best suit them - be it a specific career, helping their family, participating in the community, or creating arts. This is more optimal than the forced work of capitalism.
- bridgeburner@lemmy.worldEnglish5 hours
Ozempic shouldn’t be the main way to reduce obesity in a population. Ozempic is needed in the US because there it is almost impossible to stay thin since companies are allowed to put high fructose corn syrup into pretty much anything. Regulating and banning such behaviour will result into a healthier population, without needing controversial drugs that you basically have to take for your whole life and can have severe side effects. Ozempic should NOT be normalized and should only be prescribed when nothing else helps.
- SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish5 hours
Kurzesagat has a explanation of the situation. GLP-1 drugs should be the standard, because the alternative is considerably worse. Besides, the behaviors you speak of is highly genetically determined, not a failure of morality or discipline.
Idk how people think China is communist when they have for-profit hospitals, that’s like one of the biggest no-nos in communism lol.
Even the public hospitals are incentivized towards profit optimizing through over-prescription of medication (or useless stuff like homeopathy) in my experience. But last time I went through Chinese healthcare was all the way back in 2017, so things may have improved now (but I doubt it.)
Maoist but in name only, as the hardcore Maoists in Mainland China and elsewhere are balking at how the country has become, a hegemony set to replace another.
Semi related note: Is there any reason not to buy the cheaper SSD brands like kingspec and team group?
Failure rates and RMAs might be more common when manufactuerers save a buck. Samsung SSDs for example are expensive AF, but they have a good reputation for reliablility and lifespan.
Of course, being diligent about backing up your data means that you might benefit from the savings with less worry about the risk. Or you could use the cheaper SSD for something like a Steam library where you may not care as much about long term data preservation.
Word of warning though: super cheap end might end up with you getting scammed, or things like SSDs without DRAM caches, which are slower than even HDDs.
As a personal example of Samsung reliability, my 11 years old samsung SSD is still kicking, despite being used as a cache for my Truenas homelab for half of it. This thing will outlive me 😆
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish15 hours
YMMV.
You gotta look up reviews. Both buyer track records, and focused reviews that look at what controller/NAND they use.
Many SSDs are basically the same as other brands internally. A few are wonky. It just depends.
- CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish10 hours
From what I‘ve heard it‘s all about guarantees because SSDs have a tendency to just go bad sometimes. Some SSDs are more expensive because the manufacturer will offer a replacement for up to 5 years. You can expect these manufacturers to have better quality control too. They don‘t want to replace SSDs left and right after all.
Take this with a grain of salt because I never actually had to get an SSD replaced myself. But I would only trust a manufacturer that‘s been in business with a good reputation for 5 to 10 years. Cheap storage sounds tempting but for me it‘s not worth risking to lose my data over. Yes I make backups but still.
- 12 hours
It depends on the use case. I use teamgroup high capacity SSD drives for short load things on my homelab but they are super slow for any kind of extended writing due to a number of factors such as cache writes. I had to warranty two of 5 that died within a few weeks but it has been fine once the duds were replaced and they were easy about honoring the warranty.
Again, fine for a homelab but I wouldn’t use them in my gaming rig where speed matters. For things like readimg of stored video and Linux isos, they work pretty good.
Memory includes SSDs. NAND flash chips for storage + small DRAM cache.
- auzy1@lemmy.worldEnglish16 hours
Tupperware went bankrupt I heard. I’d be cautious with this as there is likely no support for this storage
