23 minutesI like how these only became a problem because Meta made them which meant a bunch of morons bought it.
Hidden and pinhole cameras have been a commercially available thing for decades, even on glasses.
Hell they even made one as a kids toy you could buy.
San Diego ComiCon banned them, and Dragoncon is going to ban them.
conference organizers said they have imposed a ban on “Meta-style glasses with recording capabilities.”
Dammit. I was hoping they explicitly called them “pervert glasses” like the headline suggested.
- minorkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish4 hours
So have shirt that says, “If you can read this, you may be recorded for your safety and for quality assurance purposes.” That’s what corporations do, right? Should solve the concerns?
- partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish3 hours
That would make an awesome shirt, actually. Reminds me of the protest shirts on policy affecting RSA encryption, “this shirt is a WMD” or something to that effect…
Nah. See the specific phrasing allows for you to record them and them to record you in two party consent states
- ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
All hidden cameras should be illegal, I don’t care about your “hands free convenience”
This is like anti pervert laws 101
- 3 hours
Yep. If you want to record everything going on from your POV, strap a GoPro to your head and see if people’s moods change about it. If they clearly don’t want that, they don’t want the “convenient” hidden cameras either. Simple as that.
They don’t want people knowing they are being recorded.
A gopro or a phone held up is basically an indicator of recording happening, which people can choose to avoid if they want to.
But pervert glasses don’t hold up that signal, and the pathetic attempt to make a signal (the LED) is easily covered or otherwise bypassed so you can creep on people without them ever knowing.
- 9 hours
Honestly, they should not ban them, and then just low-key encourage enterprising attendees to pwn the devices and any attached accounts. That would be delightful.
- username123@sh.itjust.worksEnglish3 hours
Just saying there’s not a guarantee all versions will be crackable, the cost of having to deal with a bunch of those at the convention in perpetuity doesn’t seem worth the reward of dunking on a minority of them.
- theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish9 hours
Defcon is not the place I’d want to wear something like that and make myself a target. Of course, I’d be embarrassed to wear them anywhere, but afraid at Defcon.
- blazeknave@lemmy.worldEnglish3 hours
I was afraid walking into the room with the wall of sheeple just bc I was wearing a button down in spite of being the sole sponsor of the hackathon. I (as instructed) left my watch, phone, laptop etc at hotel and only brought locked down Chromebook and lived in sweaty terror every keystroke. All while they were stoked and loving the sponsor not just buying a logo, and sent me back with like 500 bucks in swag easily to share back home at the office. Still… Terror.
- theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish3 hours
Fortunately most of the attendees are genuinely good folks, so generally what really happens is just that some data gets scraped and everybody has a bit of a laugh at one of the talks.
I know worse happens, I just think it’s worth mentioning it is actually a group of mostly awesome people.
- Havatra@lemmy.zipEnglish7 hours
Random files appearing in the downloads folder on my phone has only happened once
¯\(ツ)/¯- zaphod@sopuli.xyzEnglish6 hours
Let me guess, it was an iPhone? Someone just used AirDrop and you might’ve allowed everyone sending you files.
- Havatra@lemmy.zipEnglish5 hours
It was Android :-) WiFi, NFC and BT turned off. It was Android 12 I believe, back in 2022.
- pulverizedcoccyx@lemmy.caEnglish5 hours
That’s actually a bit frightening and the feeling of being violated would linger for a while.
- 2 hours
My goodness, your username!?!
I think you might already know…
- [object Object]@lemmy.caEnglish8 hours
- Go to Def Con
- Wear internet connected camera in bathroom and while typing all passwords
- ???
- Profit
- PattyMcB@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
- Have said glasses hacked and the video stream played on large screens around the venue for the duration of the convention
- 9 hours
Like, I guess I don’t understand why these damn things have a camera in the first place. At most they should be roughly equivalent to a smart watch - a display and some controls. Maybe bone-conducting headphones or something for audio. It’d be neat to have navigation prompts in glasses, for instance. Buy why a fucking camera?!
- grue@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
Were it not for the fact that it’s the fucking privacy-invading big tech companies doing it, I would admit that there are good use-cases for the camera:
- Reminding you of the name and possibly previous interactions with the person you’re talking to, for instance (if it only did local lookup based on consensual photos you had previously added to your address book). I’m not face-blind or anything, but my memory is bad enough that that would be helpful to me.
- Scanning, OCR-ing and making searchable any papers you’re looking at (hooking to your selfhosted Paperless-NGX).
- Displaying augmented-reality translations of street signs (which is one of the few reasonable things Google Glass actually did).
- steelplatedmech@piefed.caEnglish59 minutes
Even then I could see people not wanting picture, video, or audio recorded of them even if it is just kept locally for private use. And that’s the problem of these glasses with trying to be discrete so people who would have avoided you or asked you to stop recording before having a conversation are left unaware.
- MrMcGasion@lemmy.worldEnglish2 hours
I’ve heard they can be also quite useful for blind/vision-impaired users to describe surroundings and read signs, etc.
- ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
They’d be helpful when interacting with police. Heck, I could see them being useful when interacting with anyone in a hostile situation. What people will say when they don’t think they’re being recorded and what they will say when they know they are can be vastly different, and the people that will speak and act differently are the very ones you want to record. I’ve had occasions in the past where these would have been very useful, though it turned out recorded audio was sufficent.
Unfortunately the tech is ripe for abuse and I understand the mistrust they cause. Too many crappy people, and too many crappy tech companies that will abuse the video themselves even if the person wearing them only used them with good intentions.
- 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish4 hours
Even though I agree with recording police, the fact that your first thought went straight to “hidden camera for the purpose of recording without consent” makes this a nonstarter to begin with.
- ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.worldEnglish4 hours
Most states it’s legal to record audio without consent if you’re a party to the conversation, and it’s legal federally. Recording video in public is ok most everywhere.
For me personally I went to jail for false accusations of assault. I had no choice but to interact with a very scheming and hostile individual for a long time and if I’d not recorded the conversations - on advice from my friend and attorney - I’d have likely not beat the charges. So yeah… I very much have a scenario in mind where these would have been helpful and there are certainly others who can probably relate.
- Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish18 minutes
They weren’t talking about legality. They were talking about ethics. Recording people without consent is one thing, but doing it secretly is another. For police, I’d argue there’s implied consent as they’re public servants who are theoretically working for us. (I know, they’re working for the owner class, but they’re paid by taxpayers.) Anyone else though? I’d say that’s fairly ethically corrupt. Obviously there are exceptions, but generally it should be seen as a bad thing to do.
- steelplatedmech@piefed.caEnglish21 minutes
This is similar to the type of arguments made by those wanting increased surveillance with stuff like flock camera and ID online verification expansion. Pointing to the bad things in the world it helps prevent or track down that happens.
And pointing to the law to keep pushing what they are allowed to record and track.
Privacy and security has been a balancing act. And even examples of bad thing that happens I’m sure you can relate is the very common attempt at emotional appeal used by them.
Not denying your use case, but when it comes to surveillance they all seem to use the argument of safety.
- 5 hours
Most Meta glasses don’t even HAVE a display. The camera is the only thing they do.
- h3ll3rsh4nks@ani.socialEnglish7 hours
Part of me understands having a camera for AR lookups and such, and in my line of work a hands free camera would be amazing especially if I could pull the image back up on the glasses and zoom in on serial numbers etc, but I don’t trust Meta with being on my phone let alone having a live video feed from my eye line at all times.
- realitista@lemmus.orgEnglish2 hours
Yes this is the exact thing I’m interested in. Camera is definitely not something needed here. There are some like this on the market like the MemoMind. I’m waiting for one with progressive lens support like the Even Realities G2 but with audio added.
- Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 hours
I would LOVE to have a nice pair of camera glasses. I love my dashcam, I’m so excited when something crazy happens (that doesn’t involve me) so I can save the video to show to my partner. I’d loooove that while just walking around.
No fucking chance I want that device to have Internet access, absolutely not. I specifically got the best dashcam I could that has NO Bluetooth or WiFi capabilities, local storage only.
I fully see the value in having a hands-free camera while I’m walking around, exploring, people-watching, etc. but anything that I don’t have the control of where the data all goes is incredibly not bueno.
- ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
I’m walking around, exploring, people-watching, etc. but anything that I don’t have the control of where the data all goes
I think the ethical problem is that the people you’re watching don’t have any control over where that video go tbh
- Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish7 hours
Nobody has any control over where dashcam videos go, or where videos we take with our phones go… but those are okay. If I put my phone on an armband or a shirt pocket and record, isn’t that basically the same thing as having camera glasses?
I’m fine with someone recording with a camera in public, that’s all cool. But I don’t wanna be anywhere near anything connected to Facebook. I don’t want my pictures there, or my words, or anything to do with me.
- steelplatedmech@piefed.caEnglish11 minutes
I personally don’t want to be recorded. I dont have a choice in the matter with it not being illegal, but I’ll avoid people who are obviously recording when possible.
Can’t do much about people going out of their way to be discrete, but if they are trying to be discrete those people tend to be people who are aware others don’t like it but don’t care what others think.
But I don’t wanna be anywhere near anything connected to Facebook.
Same. That’s pretty much why. It doesn’t matter if it isn’t a Facebook device. People might be recording to upload to facebook related socials or end up reposting on facebook media socials. Its an uploading sharing social media society we live in.
I’m not going to go out of my way to stop someone recording. That just makes you stand out more, and end up content. So even if something is legal and people aren’t doing anything it doesn’t mean they are willingly consenting. They’ve accepted that’s how it is.
- ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
It hits a little differently if you’ve ever been a victim of sexual harassment.
If your put a camera anywhere on your person that surreptitiously records people without their consent, I think anyone has the right to presume you’re a pervert, and act accordingly
- Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish5 hours
You’re not gonna believe this lul
I just feel differently. Another poster mentioned bathrooms though and that’s a very good point. If I ever did have a camera that recorded stuff I see locally like a dashcam, I’d take it off, turn it off, and put it in my bag before I entered a private-public space like that.
- 6 hours
Yeah, but you can’t enter with your car in a public restroom.
- Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish5 hours
That’s a very good point—if I went into a public restroom, I’d take camera glasses off and put them in my bag for sure.
I guess it depends on where you are from. Data protection is taken relatively seriously where I come from (Germany), and dashcams are heavily regulated (in theory). Dashcam footage must be non-continuous and triggered by specific events, e.g., a collision. It is not meant to be saved or archived without a valid reason.
In OPs example they don’t have that already because whipping out a phone is very easy to do (just not before the situation happened).
Let’s be real if we remove pedophilia from device almost everything requires a recording If you riding a bike or car need evidence If you got a false case or you said anything else while other person said other thing Or if some women accuse you of rape etc…
For all of these meta glasses is what we need without meta getting the video
- hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 hours
Even without meta, or any other shitcorp, receiving that data, I’d hate to live in a world where every single interaction with any person, or even me just walking by would be on camera.
- kinship@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish4 hours
I think the tech can be very useful, especially if we talk about AR Glasses. The thing is… if tech companies restringe the capabilities or people use it unlawfully it sucks. I wish I could record stuff hands free. What happened on the day I talked to Ms X about Y? Then it starts playing? It’s like a human external HDD. We just need something like a bright led that indicates recording or something. We should try to fix the idea not destroy it
- finley@lemmy.zipEnglish9 hours
When Google glass first premiered, I would, every once in a while, see someone wearing them in public and almost as often see them get punched in the face by some random passerby.
This is one of the very many reasons why I wish I was still living in New York City. I wanna see people wearing these pervert glasses get punched in the face once again.
Arrogant, entitled assholes are not going to learn that their arrogance and entitlement is unwelcome until they get their faces bashed in about it. Repeatedly. That’s why Google glass failed: Google realized that nobody wanted to see anyone wearing their shitty shitty pervert devices spying on everyone constantly. It wasn’t that they didn’t work. It’s that wearing their devices made their users a magnet for physical violence. Meta believes that they are immune to this consequence, and the public at large needs to remind them that THEY ARE NOT.
EDIT: I am not advocating violence, I am just serving a public reminder that acting like a disgusting pervert in public has consequences, and very well deserved consequences at that.
- finley@lemmy.zipEnglish8 hours
There were actually a bunch of news articles about this happening a lot at the time. Google it.
You live in a world. Stuff happens.
- Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.caEnglish7 hours
People don’t believe you because they are not the main character like you are, how could they ever understand?
- athatet@lemmy.zipEnglish5 hours
What is this comment? He didn’t even say he did it. Just saw articles about it. Grow up.
- Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.caEnglish4 hours
He didn’t say he did what? Your response doesn’t make any sense I think you’re lost.
- PattyMcB@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
There seems to have been one incident reported in San Francisco
#doubt
- quarkquasar@lemmy.worldEnglish7 hours
Listen, if something didn’t happen within 5 feet of me, then it didn’t happen.
I have decreed that all evidence otherwise must be brought to me for presentation, and you’ll also have to understand it for me, and after all that, I’ll have AI tell you that you’re wrong.
The difference is today 1a auditors will wear them to deliberately provoke that reaction because it will generate clicks.
- spizzat2@lemmy.zipEnglish7 hours
Man… Yesterday, I had never heard of “1A auditor”.
That was a good day.
- bklyn@piefed.socialEnglish7 hours
The line between ‘1A auditor’ and ‘asshole’ was blurry enough already…
- 6 hours
At the time they were pretty useless though. Moreso than Meta’s ones. Some hipsters from Silicon Valley bought it following the fad but then found they can’t do anything with it.
