A candy that plays music while you eat it
This is the sort of misapplication of technology that traumatised me as a kid, dammit
When I was in year 5 the kids in the class had been working cutting apricots and they bought tonnes of candy and these whistles they were blowing all the time.
How much did the whistles cost ? one cent.
True story.
I prefer a toothbrush that plays music while you use it
We are getting to the point where we are going to have a real life Talkie toaster from Red Dwarf without the comedy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HqGSioLCOQ&t=43
We’re not too far off given how many apps on my phone by default send notifications like “do you want to do this thing now?”
And so many interfaces that have been enshittified with pop ups wanting me to check out their new AI features.
A toaster constantly asking if I want toast is probably less annoying than a lot of technology now.
I just got a WiFi stove that should be marketed as one of those bad ideas.
My requirements were
- induction burners
- air fryer
The closest I could find had all this “smart” crap, and convection oven was as close as I could get to air fryer
Food for thought: Replace Your Range With a Modular Kitchen
Interesting idea, and a great money saver! I find it strange that portable induction cooktops are so much cheaper and at least seem more technically advanced than a fill sized range.
But yeah, more clutter and probably not great for selling a house. Not for me
This is functional, but looks ugly as sin and I don’t see how it’s better than an integrated stovetop? Those are also usually separate from the oven so you’re still good on the oven if the stovetop dies.
An air fryer is literally a convection oven, so that part was accomplished. But a wifi stove is just bizarre.
Traditionally, convection ovens have a fan at the back that pushes air over the food and around the oven, while air friers have a fan on top that draws the air through the food from the bottom. But for majority of the use cases, the results are very similar and I’m sure convection ovens that work the same way also exist.
Yes and no. My understanding is an air fryer is just more convection. No actual definition but some brands have both convection and air fry. But I couldn’t find that with an induction top.
This does have “convection bake” vs “convection roast”, so I still need to understand what distinction they’re making
I’ll figure it out as I cook more. I do have a countertop air fryer that I was hoping to get rid of (I need the counter space) that I used a lot for chicken breasts and stuff. But the ultimate test is tofu. I’ve never been able to make tofu right so if I can use the convection oven to get the right consistency, I’m golden
Yeah, air fryer has significantly more airflow than a additional convection oven, and the fan is right behind the hearing element instead of on the sidewall.
It delivers heat and circulates it more effectively. An oven with proper “air fryer” function usually has multiple of large fans that go above the heating element.
I am in the market for one as well. I found KitchenAid makes an induction stove top with convection and Air fry oven. https://www.kitchenaid.com/major-appliances/ranges/slide-in-ranges/p.30-inch-4-element-induction-slide-in-convection-range-with-air-fry.ksis730pss.html?
I actually did see this as one of my choices - looks nice, fits my requirements better than the one I got, and is $1500 cheaper!
But that stupid horizontal display is stupid. It meant the range sticks out an extra inch or more and I really couldn’t do that in my kitchen. It also means smaller burner space than the one I got - it doesn’t need to be much but a little extra room to move pans around rather than crowd them
i saw AI vacumn/dust cleaner being sold online.
Intelligently scans the floor for food particles to know which foods to advertise to you
This year, it is no longer Consumer Electronics Show… it’s now Corporate Electronics Show.
I went myself about ten years back when I worked for a small electronics store. It was literally 70% slop and 20% cell phone cases. There was only one company there that we actually got excited about and looked at bringing in their products. Their products were much better than what we currently carried and our current supplier was a pain in the ass to deal with.
They were imeadiatly bought out and closed by the company we already dealt with before we could even place an order. We only ever received a demo unit.
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What?
It’s a reference to the “Always has been” meme.
A consumer is just the opposite side of the same coin. Corporations exist because of customers and customers exist because of corporations.
a person who uses up a commodity; a purchaser of goods or services, a customer
Companies are always chasing stupid ideas. The AI fridge is the Twitter fridge of this decade, a stupid idea some business person was genius. We’ve always been this dumb.
Inclusion of AI isn’t meant to be a selling point to product buying customers but to convince retail investors who throw money at anything with AI into buying up shares of stock.
And some companies like NVIDIA and micron have reached a point where retail customer revenue is a rounding error compared to direct corporate sales, so there’s no need to cater them and for some no need to even sell to retail customers anymore.
As things get more expensive it helps create a rental economy, so people having to rent leads to companies able to make money selling to companies that are making money providing subscription services to consumers who have been priced out.
Kind of like the housing market in a way.
Exactly right.
As such, any bleating about markets being driven by “consumer choice” is either hopelessly out of date / embarrassingly naive - or malicious.
Just as consumer sales are a rounding error, so is consumer choice - it’s a direct relationship.
This extends a lot farther than the AI bubble, we have allowed corporations to merge and monopolize, and “investors” to gamble on it all, to where they completely invert the relationship.
They shape our experience by constraining choice, dictating only options with profit margins and heinous licensing terms that work exclusively and overwhelmingly in their favor.
I watched a video about the worst of CES. I was kind of amused that some of the winners of worst-of weren’t even new ideas
There was a candy I remember that from a long time ago, idk 2000ish? It was a lollipop you bit down on and you could hear music played through your teeth. I never tried it but it was sold where I worked
Another idea, the worst of the worst, was the smart fridge. I remember from business classes I took many years ago used that as an example of innovation. Or a “smart” microwave. You let it know what ingredients you have, for example by scanning the barcode, so it can recommend recipes or alert you when something is running low
The rendition of those ideas at the CES were so out of touch
It was a lollipop you bit down on and you could hear music played through your teeth.
When I was about 12 I started a short lived fad in my extended friend group of wearing headphones in your nostrils instead of your ears. If you turned them up high it sorta worked.
Microsoft would like to know if a trendsetter like you is interested in an executive position. Pay is in
AI tokensdiscounts on AI tokens and stock.they will pay you, if you can find a way to shovel more AI into windows 11 than it currently has.
Weren’t you listening trend?! The AI is going in the nostrils
I won’t buy AI stuff 🤮
Now if things you could do with simple if/else algorithms are using “AI”
Good for destroying them with a baseball bat.
What’s worse than that are the fully camera, gyroscope, and GPS equipped children’s toys that send all their data to an AI server.
Gyroscope, fine, I can understand them trying to understand how the toy is utilised.
GPS? Fuck off.
CAMERA?! What in the ever loving…
Yeah, so there are these kids toys at CES now that are always watching and always listening. Gyroscope if the toy is being picked up and moved, GPS to track where in the house it is, or where it’s going outside.
It’s loaded with voice and facial recognition that can track moods and environmental context. But obviously it doesn’t work offline. It has no on board AI, so all the data is sent to a service somewhere which will generate responses for the toy.
I wish it was just one such product being promoted at CES, but I’ve seen several videos now of multiple upstart toy tech brands selling similar AI plushies and such.
That is 100% going to record some kid changing, and knowing how these companies do ‘AI’ it’s probably going to be sent to some random person in India to process.
Rather freeze AI completely than use an AI refridgerator
I’m astounded there hasn’t been a legal case already where some AI customer service bot hallucinated and promised a customer a million dollars or something and they’re trying to claim it. Set that precedent and companies would be dropping those AI clankers right quick.
there was a case where a consumer was promised something by an AI chatbot and the company tried to renege on it
sorry I don’t really remember any details about it, although I am pretty sure that it was ruled the company had to uphold the chatbot response. Oh I think part of their defense was that the chatbot was an external company or something
edit: found it, looks like the same story the other user referenced
there has! AI customer bot said they’d be a different price and they forced the flight company to uphold said price.
But not for eating. Don’t trust AI for food or other safety.
AI can eat and sleep instead of you
Not a hotdog
Why is that coffee machine showing me a picture of the Sydney Opera House instead of making coffee?
I’d be unemployed and in trouble, but sometimes I do wish a gigantic solar storm would cut off the internet for a year. Humanity needs the reset. Please stop shoving Wi-Fi into every device.
Everything having connectivity is cool, I like automating stuff, the issue is it feeding all of your information to a company to profit off of it or worse.
Things that can be wifi: my light switches and anything that might’ve had an analog timer back in the day. Anything critical? You can buy an analog sensor that will beep if it’s out of limits, like a freezer alarm.
The rest can f right off.
Light switches can also not be wifi. Hell, id personally prefer them not to
I only use hardwired Ethernet for my light switches
So regular demotica/hone automation light switches it is
Link to said device?
I was being ironic, I am not aware of any such device
Damn, I had slight hopes such a thing existed
X10 might work if you just need simple signaling.
It might but if so I’m not aware of it
I’m sure they do, but probably in the industrial control sense.
Obviously it would be a choice to have them wifi or not, opt-in, not opt-out. I wasn’t implying anything should be automatically wifi.
Samsung said in response that “a trade show floor is naturally very different from a consumer’s home environment. Our Bespoke AI experiences are designed to simplify decisions around the home, making life more convenient and enjoyable.”
The South Korean tech giant also said “security and privacy are foundational” to the AI experiences in the fridge.
They deserve to sell none of their shitty fridges.
using AI and privacy in the same sentence should be a crime. almost everything AI does is datamining people.
This is the same Samsung that sold fridges with giant LCD screens on them, ostensibly to help the buyer, but then later turned that expensive screen into a billboard showing ads to the fridge buyer in their kitchen (source). Samsung has shown who they are. Anyone that buys an AI fridge from them will have no one to blame but themselves.
These also have an entire computer running Tizen behind the screen in the door, which generates waste heat and dumps it… into your refrigerator. Genius!
That’s some fancy active cooling on that computer. Possibly overkill.
I feel like the problem here is that you get people who are curious or like the other features the fridge has and just get what they can when theirs goes out. And while, sure, those people learn not to do that again, by that point the industry used that sales data as a “they must like it, lets do it across the board!” Instead of asking people or taking anything else into account when figuring out what products to continue making.
In 10 yrs when those fridges die and people who “learned their lesson” go to buy a new fridge, there will be zero fridges without AI because marketing thought thats why they bought it and no one has any ability to buy a non-AI fridge anymore.
I think you are giving people too much credit. Lots of people have a budget they can spend on appliances (like a credit line) and they get the best (most expensive) one they can get on that budget. Others will do the opposite and get the cheapest but only people like you find on Lemmy (Linux users for instance) in my experience will make a choice in the middle based on feature set.
I went with the middle dish washer and it has tuned out to be a series of planned obsolescence repairs. I’m handy enough to do them all, but I know it’s just a matter of time.
We’re on year six (it had a 5 year warranty). I’m determined to make it last until 10 at least.
In 10 yrs when those fridges die and people who “learned their lesson” go to buy a new fridge
That’s more like two years for Samsung fridges, where the designers and builders spend all of their time on fancy horseshit and ignore basic requirements like “keep the food cold”.
I feel like the problem here is that you get people who are curious or like the other features the fridge has and just get what they can when theirs goes out. And while, sure, those people learn not to do that again,
Part of what makes us intelligent is learning from others. I guess I would expect buyers to do even the most basic research on a large dollar figure purchase which would likely expose them to the headlines about Samsung putting ads on fridges after the sale.
Do people actually just walk into an appliance store and just drop more than $1k on what they see on the floor without researching reliability, warranty, or other features from articles and news sources?
I did buy a replacement refrigerator based on “no ice dispenser, fits in available space” on a Saturday when mine let out the magic smoke that morning. It was delivered the next day and worked out ok.
I would not get something fancier without doing research. This one was literally the only refrigerator that fit the bill at the store (weird-sized refrigerator alcove)
Was that the only refrigerator store close to you, so even if there were other choices that fit manufactured you wouldn’t have been able to lay your hands on one?
There was Home Depot, Best Buy, and Lowes. I looked at their in-stock offerings online and only one of them had something that would work. I tried out a floor model, it seemed fine. I couldn’t spend too much time on the decision because I was playing host and didn’t want my house guest to worry about her food spoiling. (She has dietary restrictions and enough food anxiety as it is.)
Well sure, if you’re in a time crunch that makes sense. Additionally, you did attempt to shop elsewhere, but in your case it was such a specialized opening you only had one choice from all the retailers available to you. I imagine, had there been multiple to choose from, you would have examined the choices more closely, right?
Apparently a large percentage of people buy cars without test driving them… so probably.
“security and privacy are foundational” to the AI experiences in the fridge
My AI-less, internet-less fridge is quite private and secure. Furthermore, it keeps food perfectly cold!
It isn’t sexy, but products that just work are 100x better than products with 40 features that can all brick it for no reason or annoy you to death.
You know that is a lie, a lip service for the gullible mass. Samsung just does not care about security and privacy because it does not boost their profits.
Yup, I think an ice dispenser and a fancy-schmancy high speed water tap is justifiable for most people, but I can’t think of a realistic use case for a screen that outweighs the many negatives.
There’s an effort combination here - to buy things that just work, you need not only demand, but their sufficient production and companies choosing that niche to concentrate, because they don’t have an option of something with “AI”.
It’s like negotiation, of what to produce. There’s elasticity of demand based on niche similar to that of demand by price. If you need a fridge and there are only AI fridges offered, you’ll buy an AI fridge.
So you won’t be able to buy something that just works when all companies with sufficient power to design and produce fridges want AI.
There’s also some stickiness there, like a hysteresis, and the current combined effort at AI promotion, even if not at equilibrium of said AI’s attractiveness for said elasticity, will hold. Unless there will be another combined effort at killing it with fire.
That is similar to 4:3 display ratio, ergonomic user interfaces, or perhaps home appliances that came with schematics, but not anymore.
It might not be sexy, but I’d argue it doesn’t need AI to be.
Take the SMEG ones as an example - they’re not my cup of tea, but the amount of people who are willing to pay a premium for a fridge that doesn’t do anything special other than looking nice shows clearly that.
it will be on the people, if they buy a fridge named “SMEG”
They might also be paying a premium for a refrigerator with that name specifically.
SMEG-MA.
Smeg-heads do be like that.
that’s ma SMEG. They really should think of a name change.
Do they… do they know what the C in CES stands for?
Judging from the way AMD got up and spent all their time talking about their data centre products, nobody does.
Nothing now. The branding has completely pivoted, CES isn’t even an acronym anymore.
Connected?
cunts
I’ve had a few Samsung appliances. They are, by far, the worst appliances I’ve owned. I will not be buying another from them. If they want to make life more convenient, they need to make better devices, not shove screens, wifi, and AI into their crappy products.
Don’t worry, in the realm of major appliances the majority of what these bozos are calling “AI” actually isn’t. They’re just using it as a buzzword because they think it’s popular.
LG, selling a washing machine two years ago: “It has weight sensors to determine the load size.”
LG, selling the same damn washing machine today: “With exclusive LG® AI DD™ Technology!!!”
The South Korean tech giant also said “security and privacy are foundational” to the AI experiences in the fridge.
suck it, Jin YangEven their older, simpler fridges are crappy. We bought one because our previous fridge conked out in mid-pandemic when the selection of new appliances was low. It lasted about three years before developing an issue that would have cost us more to fix than just replacing the damned thing. So we replaced it with some cheaper probably-Chinese brand I’d never heard of before and will never buy another Samsung appliance again if we can help it. AI will just add expensive, useless functions on top of their already poor design and dubious manufacturing.
In other words, if these become the only fridges in existence, I may just try to find out where I can purchase an old-fashioned icebox.
I have a rule: if the company has ever made a mobile phone or TV I will never buy their appliance.
a trade show floor is naturally very different from a consumer’s home environment.
So it’s like fashion shows, where they have the most ridiculous shit walking down the catwalk, instead of actual clothes that people will wear?
