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23 hoursI do not consider a win, and I will continue applying pressure where I can.
- aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Can someone please come out with a phone that’s an actual computer and help stop this nonsense?
Phones cost a lot of money at this point and I’m completely sick of them being some locked down, surveillance ridden pile of crap. A reasonably built one would be able to replace a laptop at this point if it weren’t for these artificial constraints imposed by the stupid fucking suits running things.
- Kailn@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish13 hours
There, exacly what you want.
Here’s a more budget one.GPD has been making “mini laptops” for a long while, now they try to make similar gaming handheld.
I’m not sponoered nor I’ve bought this for myself. (yet) - Fontasia@feddit.nlEnglish20 hours
https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/astro-slide-5g
This sounds up your ally
Pretty sure they meant a smartphone with a desktop OS installed on it (eg Linux phones), not just “phone that looks kinda like a laptop but still uses Android”
- Fontasia@feddit.nlEnglish14 hours
https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/devices-specification
That’s why I recommended this, their devices dual boot Android or Linux. One of their older devices quad boots by default
This isn’t a fly by night operation, it’s got a loyal fanbase, and good hardware and software support. They’ve been manufacturing for a decade, before that this guys were doing PDAs.
- TrippinMallard@lemmy.mlEnglish1 day
Battery life is limited by cell modem drivers being closed source and having to be reverse engineered.
I have been looking into an alternate hybrid radio device using Reticulum. Though with that comes a new less convenient user experience for a lot of apps.
I like the idea of a continuum capable module desktop like canonical and Microsoft promised years ago.
- ranzispa@mander.xyzEnglish17 hours
As long as your phone model is supported by any custom mod. I have checked compatibility for almost all smartphones I owned, some 7 or 8 through the years.
Not a single one of them was ever supported by a custom mod.
Intentionally non-standard hardware does not get a real custom rom. It’s just a mod of Android which Google can render intentionally incompatible any time they want
still just not gonna update my phone for a while until they’ve for sure have allowed side loading. Got my pixel because it’s just a nice phone, and i can put graphene on it when it’s paid off. Half of my apps are all from f-droid, too.
- mememuseum@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Some carriers lock the bootloader until you’ve paid off the phone.
Phones produced for sale through Verizon have a permanently locked bootloader.
- Archr@lemmy.worldEnglish21 hours
Fuck Verizon for this exact reason. Never buy from them direct if you can help it.
- mememuseum@lemmy.worldEnglish20 hours
Didn’t realize this when switching. Went through a whole kerfuffle to cancel the trade in deal.
Phone agent sounded perplexed when I wanted to keep my old Pixel 7 Pro lol.
- 23 hours
Why is that?
Would you be able to change the IMEI as I would have thought those were encoded on the hardware chip. If you could it means they couldn’t blacklist the phone if you stopped paying.
Paying you can spoof it
xfinity locks the bootloader until you get your phone paid off and you call them to get it unlocked
- entwine@programming.devEnglish1 day
If antitrust was being enforced, Google execs wouldn’t even dream of attempting this bullshit.
Antitrust regulation is probably the easiest way to fix the biggest problems in our society, it is 100% bipartisan, and it is easy to explain to the average US voter. The only group that is against it is the billionaires/ultra wealthy. Instead, politicians are all hyperfocused on culture war mudslinging and bullshit that makes no difference.
Break up Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Meta (just to start), and watch how the tech industry explodes with innovation again, and the tech billionaire becomes an endangered species. The AI bubble will burst as companies actually need to compete to survive, and thus won’t be burning as much resources on crap that clearly doesn’t work.
- Fedditor385@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
I, as the owner of my device, don’t want to wait 24h.
I hope this will popularize the ROM community again. It gradually faded out due to mainstream ROMs having every perk of the custom ROMs but now the custom ROMs can start offering freedom, which no official ROM will offer.
- aquovie@lemmy.cafeEnglish24 hours
Is there a tap to pay system that works on custom ROMs? I thought those really required SafetyNet/PlayIntegrity/Whatever-it-is-now.
I would rather not give up tap to pay but I will if I have to. It seems like trying to Magisk my way into getting Google Wallet to work would be a PITA.
- 1 day
I, as the owner of my device, don’t want to wait 24h.
then dont. adb is instant
- Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish1 day
Why would I need a computer to do something that the computer that I already have in my hand can and should do?
- 22 hours
bec malware. people get hacked on android and make google look bad.
- 16 hours
Because google is so productive about eliminating malware from the play store and all of its scam advertising. This is not about protecting the vulnerable, this is about control and forcing people into their ecosystem.
- osanna@lemmy.vgEnglish1 day
It’s not side loading. It’s installing software on the device you probably paid multiple thousands for that you no longer own.
Multiple thousands!? No phone isn’t worth that much. Bloody marketing brainwashing people into accepting exorbitant prices for everything.
- MynameisAllen@lemmy.zipEnglish1 day
Lol same, I spent $250 on a used pixel 8, threw grapheneos on it the day I got it. Honestly my dream scenario right now is that sailfish let’s me just purchase a sailfish X license for a community port
To call the install of apps of your choice as «sideloading», means that they have won.
That’s the name of the command, though. It’s
adb sideload. Anything else is installing.- entwine@programming.devEnglish1 day
That’s not even true. If you install an app through adb, the command is
adb install <path/to/app.apk>adb sideload is for installing OTA packages
- entwine@programming.devEnglish23 hours
I don’t know if adb sideload will fallback to a regular install, maybe it does as a convenience for people who don’t read the docs? In any case, you said:
That’s the name of the command, though.
And I demonstrated that you’re wrong by linking to the official man page (aka the docs) directly from the master branch of the public git repo. Here’s the relevant part which describes the sideload command:
sideload OTAPACKAGE Sideload the given full OTA package OTAPACKAGE.
- 22 hours
idc what those stupid docs say. i know i installed apps with that command before
- 19 hours
the docs about
adb sideloadis wrong. thats my point bec they dont say you can install apps with it
- ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish2 days
I’m writing an app that I will distribute only through f-droid. The people I would like to share it with are typical, non-technical android users. Before those changes I could just send them a link to f-droid apk and explain it’s just another app store or send a link to the apk directly and probably most of them would be able to install it. Now I would have to tell them to do all those weird things first, things that look suspicious and that they would not understand the purpose of. I don’t think anyone will be wiling to do it. This is not a win. The effect will be exactly the same - serious limits on distributing apps though alternative channels.
- Zedstrian@sopuli.xyzEnglish2 days
Making users wait 24 hours doesn’t improve security; it’s an anti-competitive change designed to make the Google Play store seem like less of a hassle in comparison.
- over_clox@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
I can actually see where it can improve security against scammers trying to scam elderly and non-tech savvy people.
- Scammer tries to get someone to install malware from their site
- Victim isn’t familiar with sideloading, but scammer instructs them
- Victim hits the first time 24 hour block and has to restart and wait
- The restart alone breaks contact with the scammer, scam thwarted
For the rest of us that know our way around Android, it’s just a one time annoyance, after completing all the steps to enable sideloading, you won’t have to wait 24 hours anymore.
- BackgrndNoize@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
This is only the first step, they will keep adding more bullshit like this in the name of security till you end up with a device that’s nothing more than a advertisement terminal for google
- 1 day
Scammers almost always install remote desktop app from play store. This is just anti competitiveness…
- 1 day
The problem with this is that most of the apps used in scams are already on the play store. I haven’t ever seen a scam which requests the user to download a third party app, although I’m sure it’s happened on occasion.
My point is that this won’t stop most scams, and primarily cause annoyance for actual power users.
Lets be real though, currently they already have to blow through 4 other warnings about installing unsigned APK and enabled the browser or file manager to be able to install applications. It’s almost certain if they are that far deep/commited, they are going to call the scammer back if the scammer left a number.
Yes this might allow for a time delay where the scammers number could be disabled if reported by enough people, or someone else to be like “yo this is a scam” if they mentioned it but, I don’t think this is as secure as they are saying it will be. The target audience for this is very unlikely to be thwarted by a time delay. Plus, the scammer will make some excuse about how the warning is just a safety percaucion and doesn’t need to be followed as this is a normal usage of the toggle, and then have them call back after the delay is done.
For clarification: the target audience doesn’t know about the scam, and all they care about is that someone is seemingly willing to assist with an issue or problem they have. Said person knows the solution and they just have to wait for the timer to be done to be able to do said solution. They have no reason of telling others about it (unless they were complaining about googles time delay) as they already got someone who is seemingly able to assist.
Honestly, having to have the user type “I agree that I have verified the application i am trying to install is genuine and not a fraudulent app” or a listbox of checkmarks to toggle in order to enable it would be far more efficient for this case.
Hell take the example image the article on the dev page has and make it into toggles instead and it would work far better than a timer does.
- grue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Honestly, having to have the user type “I agree that I have verified the application i am trying to install is genuine and not a fraudulent app”
Ask Other Linus how well that sort of thing (“Yes, do as I say!”) works, LOL!
I agree with you that Google’s anti-competitive time delay BS is likely to be ineffective for its claimed purpose, but frankly, I don’t think any other reasonable (i.e. non-rights-infringing) strategies would be effective either. Honestly, there’s a limit to how much effort you should go through to save idiots from themselves – and how much annoyance you impose on everyone else in the process! – and I think we’ve already hit it.
I have never seen that page before, but that’s hilarious. I somewhat hope that he did that as a demonstration of, hey, someone may do this because it’s hard for me to wrap my head around someone who uses a computer for a living, doing something like that.
Being said, I think that prompt went above and beyond what was needed. At some point you just need to let the user touch the hot stove top… It stated what it was going to do, stated that it was going to be potentially dangerous and unlikely what the user wanted, and then reiterated that it was core essential packages needed for it to run… I don’t know what else they could do there. I would definitely be against adding further restrictions though. If he was willing to type that in, I don’t know what would stop him from doing that, to be honest, Maybe a…" I acknowledge this would break my system…" instead of it being yes-do as I say. But I don’t know.
Being said hard agree there is zero reason that a package like steam should be able to uninstall your desktop., That was definitely a bug or a misconfiguration with the steam package. That was unexcusable. I just think they gave more than enough information of what that would do and he did it anyway.
I firmly agree at some point the ends don’t justify the means and Android has definitely got to that point with unsigned packages prior to making this change., And I don’t think the ends justify the means to implement such a system. And I definitely think there is ulterior motives for implementing it.
- grue@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
I somewhat hope that he did that as a demonstration of, hey, someone may do this because it’s hard for me to wrap my head around someone who uses a computer for a living, doing something like that.
Nope, he genuinely didn’t bother to understand the warning before typing it. He may use computers for a living, but that just means he has a lot of very ingrained Windows bad habits to un-learn.
It was some pretty big Internet drama when it happened and he’s still trying to defend himself from the near-universal lambasting he got for it. Although I included the link just in case, I’m kinda surprised you (being a person tech-savvy enough to be posting on Lemmy) didn’t already hear of it.
He’s actually making a second attempt to switch to Linux right now (four years later), initially picked Pop!_OS again, and had some more problems with it. 🤦 He has a second channel where he posts clips from his podcast, and he keeps whining about how the other people doing it with him are having little to no trouble and he’s just cursed, LOL.
Yeah, I had never heard of it, I generally stray away from video based mediums, but I am a little surprised I didn’t come across articles for it, I can only assume that none of the creators I followed covered it.
Although it was kind of funny to see the beginning of that second video, him still trying to do damage control, it looked for a second like he was going to agree that he had screwed up that install because he said it was 100% his fault and then he Backtracked and said that it wasn’t his fault and I’m like so close lol.
Honestly, having to have the user type “I agree that I have verified the application i am trying to install is genuine and not a fraudulent app”
Yeah, this would be the most promising approach IMO. Whenever I was forced to write something, I did pay more attention to what that said than if I ticked a box next to it.
Maybe even have them write “I am not instructed to install this app by someone else. I am aware that following instructions to install an app this way often have fraudulent intentions”.
(Also if the language was changed recently, it should ask to write it in all languages that were set within the last 14 days or so. Otherwise the scammer will have them switch the language so they don’t understand what they’re writing)
- over_clox@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Sadly, there’s truth in everything you say. Scammers are gonna be scammers, and they’ll just find a new technique plus the long standing social engineering to continue their efforts to rip people off of whatever they can.
Still, it’s something in the middleground, to help grandma be less likely to get scammed, while also giving power users an out and way to keep using their devices the way they want.
- grandma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 day
I bet they will end up having granny use adb over WebUSB a la GrapheneOS
- Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
It’s going to be effective, but it’s a sad world where you have to create a total nanny state because there exist a subset of users who are INCREDIBLY stupid.
- 2 days
Is it still a subset when it’s the majority?
And to be honest, the level of effort scammers are willing to go through is shocking, and AI’s just making it easier for them.
- 1 day
Strictly mathematically even the whole world is a subset of the whole world.
- azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 days
Evidence that any significant percentage of people, never mind the majority, is getting scammed? Then how many of them via app installs?
And to be honest, the level of effort scammers are willing to go through is shocking
Is it? If you live in a country like India, then a single successful scam will be able to pay for years of living expenses
- Cocodapuf@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
It’s sad, but this is the world we live in. It’s constantly disappointing.
But I do want to push back a bit, the people getting scammed are not incredibly stupid, they’re incredibly vulnerable. They’re often people who are generally less tech savvy, but also they’re people who don’t have a lot to lose, it’s a bit counterintuitive, but it’s easier to scam people who take money very seriously.
- Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
I’d believe that if most Pig Butchering scams weren’t using apps from Google Play already.
- over_clox@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Fair enough, you have a point. Although, I do think the developer verification thing will make it easier for Google to weed out bad actor developers altogether from the Play Store.
Sure there’s no perfect solution, but at least they’re trying to make it a lot more difficult for the scammers out there, while still leaving power users a path to keep using Android the way we want.
- Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
I think it is absolutely delusional to assume any of this actually has anything to do with security or safety of users. Google just wants more power and control over, well, everything they can get.
- 3abas@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Solution in search of a problem?
I have never seen a scam call involving sideloading an app on a phone… Why would they whenTeamViwer is in the Google app store?
- over_clox@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Fuck I dunno, I haven’t used the Play Store since Covid lockdown. I rather prefer to sideload most apps and avoid Google for the most part anyways.
- sonofearth@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
It is always like this. Make a very anti consumer decision that everyone hates, then tone it down so the half of those people will say “we won”. This is a loss.
Reading the article it looks like they found a decent middle ground. It lays out how the steps help prevent people from getting scammed.
The middle ground is the middle ground between user freedom and corporate control. Which is not a spectrum you want to be in the middle of.
This is like getting a pay rise that’s below inflation. That’s a pay cut. And this is a loss.
- Jorn@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 days
My galaxy will let me install but then I get this when I try to run the app:
- Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish1 day
Disable Google Play Protect. It’s a scam that doesn’t protect you at all, it just gives more control to Google.
- entwine@programming.devEnglish1 day
Google Play Protect is designed to protect Google Play from competitors
- darkmogool@feddit.orgEnglish2 days
I had this too. I installed it from playstore but maintain the software now via aurora. So far it works…
- RamRabbit@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
No we didn’t win. This is Google making it harder to install the programs you want, rather than the programs Google wants you to have.
Microsoft appeared to walk back Recall until they suddenly brought it back unannounced and doubled down. So I’ll believe it when I see it
- 2 days
Yeah corpos don’t respect consumers or norms of human dignity, they’ll just do what they want more quietly if you complain. The only real solution is to break up monopolies (ideally for the last several decades).
