• 404found@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1 hour

    What Google is accomplishing with this change is tighter control of their results.

    This is disappointing and only serves the interest of Google.

    • BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.infoEnglish
      2 hours

      You can hide the AI preview using udm14.com or adding &udm=14 query param to your google queries (can be done automatically by adding browser search engine with this param)

    • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2 hours

      You can use the web page, aka udm14. You can also set this in your browser so that typing in the search/address bar directly opens this.

      I have no idea if this particular development affects these results, but so far it’s been nice. No AI summary, no “similar” advertisement, no “questions about…”. Just plain results. Like, I don’t know, that old google website.

  • Bieren@lemmy.todayEnglish
    5 hours

    Before long they will use it to just create their own sites. Their own articles. Why replace just the headline. A whole internet of just google ai generated bs. Just search something on Google and everything from there on is ai generated. All results. All pictures. The maps. Everything. Nothing will be real.

  • sinematic@lemmy.zipEnglish
    10 hours

    Absolute pricks. “Don’t do evil” they said.

    AI has biases. News are titled to be biased too. This is grounds for fake news.

    • Jiral@lemmy.orgEnglish
      6 hours

      Don’t do evil

      Hasn’t that been Google’s guiding principle for quite some time already?

      • ripcord@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2 hours

        “Don’t be evil” hasn’t been an official guiding principle for over a decade, no.

          • ripcord@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1 hour

            Ah, I was waking up and didn’t see the strike through

            Both here and on reddit you can just say “whoosh” although it wouldn’t really have totally made sense

    • sigmabot@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4 hours

      I’d trust an LLM to summarize an article and give it an honest title over a piece of shit journalist that wrote it.

  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zipEnglish
    20 hours

    Wow. Thats horrible. Google has been a shitty search engine for a while now, but this is even worse.

    I quit using them as my main search probably 5 years ago. But I get that most people still use it and most people will be misled.

    Awful.

  • Fit_Series_573@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20 hours

    Apparently this has been going on for a while but The Verge started sounding the alarm 3 months ago. They know most people won’t read more than a couple sentences past a headline if they even open the article at all. Confirmation bias is about to go wild

    • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 hours

      I may switch to them as my primary provider. They seem to source results from Bing, and with the noai prefix hopefully won’t keep turning on AI summary like Ecosia does 😑

      • Jiral@lemmy.orgEnglish
        3 hours

        Duckduckgo does not only source from Bing.They use sources from everyone but Google and they have their own web crawlers and an index of their own. Their results feel considerably more relevant to me than whatever Bing is doing. ’

        Have a look here for more infos: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/news-rankings

        In some cases I still feel like Google has an edge but those cases become less frequent.

  • LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    1 day

    I tried looking for an instruction PDF for some stage lights the other day. No amount of “google-fu” could find the right thing. Links labeled as one model showed stuff for other models when clicked, and the god awful summary that it shoves in your face was just full of contradictions of itself. Google is warm trash water at this point.

      • Jiral@lemmy.orgEnglish
        3 hours

        It is owned by the ad company System1 though.

    • M0oP0o@mander.xyzEnglish
      20 hours

      I find the same thing with vehicle years, I look for say a fuse box layout for a 1985 c20 truck and I will get nothing but genaric trash or stuff for 2021 model years. I used to be able to use “year” but even that has stopped working. Like how do you fuck model and year up?

    • mineralfellow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 hours

      I still use Google Scholar, but I have recently seen that it is also being enshitified. What’s the next best option?

    • Jiral@lemmy.orgEnglish
      1 day

      Ecosia seems to be pushing the aI stuff hard as well, but at least you have to press the obnoxious AI buttons to get it. Still, it refuses to make those buttons optional. Duckduckgo let’s you have clean experience without rubbing AI buttons or AI summaries in your face and so does qwant.

      • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 hours

        Still, it refuses to make those buttons optional.

        Not only that, back before I left Ecosia a few months ago, it kept forgetting that I turned off AI summaries. Every week or so it would turn back on… I’ll try DuckDuckGo’s noai prefix this time, that hopefully won’t have this issue. (I really like Ecosia’s mission, but come on…)

        • Jiral@lemmy.orgEnglish
          3 hours

          Duckduckgo should not have any such issues. If you need that prefix you should not even need any cookies. Going there has all those no AI settings on by default. Regarding Ecosia, could it be that you deleted some related cookies accidentialy? Or did they really push in a very sleazy way for AI?

    • njordomir@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17 hours

      Protip, you can use your hostsfile or your router to block google so you don’t get tempted. If you may have to bypass, you can use some blocking extensions to allow an override after a nag screen chastising yourself for being weak willed. I rarely reach for the goog nowadays because I have a whole workflow I go through before giving in.

    • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      Sadly Ecosia is not good for more niche topics or foreign languages. After a few months of use, I went back to Google with &udm=14 😕

      Edit: Though with Google now falsifying site titles I’ll have to look for an alternative… I wonder if they do the same towards the providers that rely on them, like DuckDuckGo?

      • sirimeow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8 hours

        I had issues searching stuff in my native language when using duckduckgo as well. Switched to qwant and its been a lot better for me at least, so maybe try that?

      • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1 day

        DuckDuckGo uses a basket of search indexes excluding google - so even if one of them enshittifies they can reallocate that portion to another source.

    • HuudaHarkiten@piefed.socialEnglish
      1 day

      I love Ecosia because I love trees and will keep using them until I can afford kagi or something.

      But one thing that drives me through the wall… If I search something in my native language, because I want results that are in my native language, google/bing (which ecosia uses) decides to translate reddit posts for me and Ecosia slaps them to the top of the results. Its rather annoying.

      • kazerniel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 day

        I have the same experience and it drives me nuts - if I wanted English results, I’d search in English!

        • HuudaHarkiten@piefed.socialEnglish
          1 day

          Its such a weird thing to do. Especially when you click the translated link and it opens a page that is not translated. So if they think they are “helping” people who don’t know the language, how exactly does it help that they translate the title and half a sentence in the search results.

        • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.socialEnglish
          1 day

          Yes, but they probably know that none of us speaks English, so it wants to help us because we are idiots.

          Wait, thinking about that…

    • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1 day

      Startpage is google through a proxy server, and I noticed an article mislabeled the other day as such from there for a link I posted here.

      • Digitalprimate@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 day

        All true, but it generally shows you search results in a reasonable order and including reliable sources. Like a fine-tuner for Google that doesn’t feed them your data. At least not that we know of…

        • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1 day

          Yeah but it has really gone downhill since 2021 especially, to the point of being virtually worthless. The only quick answers offered now on the search page are by design ai, all the results are machine written seo, restating the question in every possible way to hit results, then explaining why someone would want to know the answer to that question in exhaustive detail, then a short paragraph with the answer, that you have to wade through the drivel to find, when it used to put it on the search page results.

          They don’t provide streaming links anymore, defective merchandise only returns links to the companies that make those products on forums they moderate (looking at you best buy everything you sell is now defective, never again,) and articles aren’t provided, even with exact information, date, name of article, name of publication, subject matter. They aren’t even trying and will give you completely unrelated information.

          I wouldn’t be mad if I didn’t know it could work better. When it did initially work, I was surprised at how well it returned information. I know it can work better because it did work better.

          We need free to the user search that is geared to work for us, not for advertisers and others that pay them, or the armies of often automated programs to write articles to his search engines despite being garbage information.

          • Digitalprimate@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1 day

            Lovely. Next you’re going to tell me Proton mail went evil. (Thanks for the explanation though! I’ll have a look at Kagi).

            • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1 day

              As a matter of fact I have just this morning talked about protonmail being corrupted by the administration. Tuta is where it’s at. Protonmail eats dick. 79-year-old fat (person’s) disgusting diaper dick.

  • imjustmsk@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 day

    What the fuck are we supposed to do when the services we use are monopolies which actively seeks to destroy its competition as well as enshittify itself to a point its unusable :|

    Time to start self hosting.

    • JensSpahnpasta@feddit.orgEnglish
      1 day

      Time to start self hosting

      There is simply no usable self-hosted search engine. There are some projects like Yacy or Searxng, but they do not have their own index. And having your own self-hosted index is kind of impossible because you need to save the whole of the web on your own devices to be able to search it.

      • yourgodlucifer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21 hours

        Yacy does have its own index it even allows you to crawl the webpages yourself from the settings page problem is that the results you get out of it fucking suck

        I really like the concept of yacy just wish the results were better but I think there is value in p2p search indexes yacy is probably the most reasonable search engine to self host since you don’t have to index everything yourself

        I have had some success with https://marginalia-search.com/

        Which does have its own index it is open source so you could theoretically self host but you would need to make your own index

        • JensSpahnpasta@feddit.orgEnglish
          10 hours

          Yeah, that’s a problem. So even if you want to search your local newspaper, you won’t be able to because of bot protection. Your crawler will be blocked. You also can’t put the whole of Reddit or even Lemmy in your search index.

          • yourgodlucifer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2 hours

            I do think this is one of the places where yacy has it’s strength since yacy is p2p you can retrieve results from other nodes that have indexed the page thus large websites can be collectively indexed by many nodes.

            I also don’t remember having problems with the crawler getting blocked but I also didn’t do a lot of crawls I can see this being a problem though.

      • richmondez@lemdro.idEnglish
        1 day

        Point of order, if you mean pirate as in infringe copyright, that isn’t stealing.

        • athatet@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1 day

          I mean get a group of friends together and start pillaging Target stores.

      • athatet@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1 day

        And the next best time is now. Kinda like planting trees.

    • nialv7@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1 day

      ten year ago there were still things we could have done to stop google. now is too late…

      • badgermurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        18 hours

        Try not to give up hope! People said similar things about IBM, Yahoo!, AltaVista, AOL, Blockbuster Video, Standard Oil, The Dutch East India Company, and more! All of those are either in the dustbin of history or ghosts of their former selves.

        The reckoning will come to these companies that continue to seem successful in spite of providing objectively bad and worsening products; nothing has ever stopped the pendulum from swinging. When you see your chance to help, give it a push.

        • nialv7@lemmy.worldEnglish
          16 hours

          These entities may have gone but their ghosts never left. They only got up ended because of paradigm shifts, not because the system that allowed them to exist got fixed. The new stuff that replaced the old ones eventually goes on the same path. I am not hopeful anything ever will happen.

          • badgermurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
            16 hours

            While that’s true for some of those, you never know when there will be a paradigm shift, and neither do they. Also, off the top of my head, I know that Yahoo! and IBM caused their own undoing through long periods of mismanagement. The world was in their hands and they couldn’t stay out of their own way. Standard Oil was broken up in direct response to the establishment and enforcement of federal anti-monopoly regulation.

            So, again, don’t give up hope! If the pendulum does not swing back the other way, it will the defy the sum of all human history. If you think about it, believing otherwise doesn’t even make sense, like believing if I keep throwing a ball on the air, eventually it will stay up there.