EFF is Leaving X
www.eff.org
After almost twenty years on the platform, EFF is logging off of X. This isn’t a decision we made lightly, but it might be overdue.
  • merdaverse@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11 days

    To the people saying things like “what took you so long”, I think you’re missing the point. They even address this in the post:

    EFF exists to protect people’s digital rights. Not just the people who already value our work, have opted out of surveillance, or have already migrated to the fediverse. The people who need us most are often the ones most embedded in the walled gardens of the mainstream platforms and subjected to their corporate surveillance.

    When the ship is sinking, there’s some value in someone staying behind to help people get off. That’s not the same as generating value for Shitter.

    • ziproot@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11 days

      As for why they did decide to leave now, they explain that their posts are being viewed by significantly less people now than in the past, so there is basically nobody left to help off the sinking ship any more.

  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    11 days

    an X post today receives less than 3% of the views a single tweet delivered seven years ago

    the town square lmao

  • lechekaflan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 days

    Another reason why they stayed there for years is not only it’s one of many channels for which to impart their news about their activities or telling users they have individual right to privacy, with fucking Musk now in charge, their presence sought to challenge that bastard’s grip upon social media. Likewise, neither the UN nor Al-Jazeera are yet leaving the platform for the sake of informing the world and the oppressed in general, despite these organizations being opposed to right-wing warmongering, lying, and mafia capitalism, and Musk and those goddamned bots in response trying to harass or reduce their presence.

  • SaltSong@startrek.websiteEnglish
    11 days

    I missed the “X” in that title, and read “EFF is leaving the Electronic Freedom Foundation,” and was very confused.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 days

      I do that too sometimes when I just woke up, and I’m on the toilet, and my brain isn’t on yet.

      …you are still half asleep and functionally not all there yet mentally, right?

      • TachyonTele@piefed.socialEnglish
        11 days

        ………you are still half asleep and functionally not all there yet mentally, right?

        Only all the time, brother. All the time.

  • czl@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    11 days

    ITT: people thinking that people already on the fediverse are the ones that the EFF needs to reach

  • yesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 days

    People leaving Twitter now is not very impressive. Less “seeing the light” and more “Trumpgret”.

    I’ll remind you that the Debian project left Twitter over a year ago. So the EFF isn’t as fast moving or comfortable with change like … Debian.

    • Nate@piefed.alphapuggle.devEnglish
      11 days

      From their mastodon:

      EFF exists to protect people’s digital rights. Not just the people who already value our work, have opted out of surveillance, or have already migrated to the fediverse. The people who need us most are often the ones most embedded in the walled gardens of the mainstream platforms

      • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 days

        I will say that double posting is a completely reasonable solution. More orgs should be the gateway where they can be seen, and have the visibility of the big platforms, but they also offer Mastodon as an alternative. If enough orgs do that, it enables people to just… move.

        It’s hard for users to move when 75% of their content is exclusive to X. And it’s hard for orgs to move when 75% of the users are on X. Double posting allows this to move to 10% X exclusive content, 60% content that’s available everywhere, and 10% exclusive to open platforms. After the orgs move the content, it’s so much easier for users to move, and after the users move, it’s easier for the orgs to move.

        This should be a cooperative thing. And afaik it doesn’t take that much effort to post the content to two places.

      • OwOarchist@pawb.socialEnglish
        11 days

        There are plenty of mainstream platforms to reach such people on that aren’t owned by (openly) Nazi billionaires.

        • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
          11 days

          Hence why this article is about them leaving the openly Nazi billionaire’s platform while remaining on other platforms that are mainstream and still provide a lot of reach :)

          • Pman@lemmy.orgEnglish
            11 days

            X is owned by a wannabe pedophile from what the Epstein files showed, so maybe X is the only one?

            • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.todayEnglish
              11 days

              Zuckerberg and Gates own the only other mainstream social media sites. While the fediverse is neat, the entirety of all federated services, including the pretty failed launch of bluesky, is less than the userbase of just facebook, in just the Philippines.

              And both of them are pedophiles, and while I don’t know if Gates is a nazi, Zuckerberg absolutely is.

              Also reddit, I guess, u/spez is a nazi, and reddit had the longest running clearweb jailbait site in world history so…

    • Godort@lemmy.caEnglish
      11 days

      This is not a contest to be holier than thou. It’s a numbers game.

      EFF stayed on Twitter because it has a larger audience and that means a larger portion of people will see their messaging. In fact, I would argue that the people that are still on Twitter are the ones most in need of seeing those messages. The people that care about what Debian is posting are almost certainly already on Mastadon.

      • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11 days

        I feel like the EFF’s messaging is just not going to get through to anyone still on Twitter.

        Remember, it’s not a fair forum; it’s an algorithm. And it’s not going to show the EFF to users who need to see it.

    • Regna@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 days

      Progress is progress. As any sane people would repeat: perfect is not the enemy of good.

      • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11 days

        I think sane people say the opposite - perfect is the enemy of good. OCD motherfuckers like me try to rationalize perfect as not being the enemy of good, but we are usually wrong.

  • Regna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 days

    Progress is progress. As any sane people would repeat: perfect is not the enemy of good.

  • Korkki@lemmy.mlEnglish
    11 days

    Leave Xitter, but keep facebook, insta, tiktok, youtube etc. Also us keeping using them is not an endorsement.

    And this is not hypocritical, why?

    • dance_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11 days

      You gotta reach people where they are. Twitter doesn’t have as many eyeballs as the others.

      • Korkki@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11 days

        And what is the actual work requirement to copy-paste you post to your twitter? Assuming that they didn’t spend their social-media person didn’t spend time arguing with people on X.

        • Buelldozer@lemmy.todayEnglish
          11 days

          And what is the actual work requirement to copy-paste you post to your twitter?

          Zero, there’s plenty of software out that there allows you to write once and post everywhere. This isn’t about declining engagement either since they are still reaching literally MILLIONS of people every year.

          This decision was reached because of Xitters owner, no other reason makes sense.

  • Deestan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11 days

    Leaving when others are getting fucked is making a stand and having principles. Yay applause.

    Going lalalalala and staying on right until you get fucked is just whatever. Don’t brag please.

    • shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish
      11 days

      How long do you stay on a platform before the outreach to new people is outweighed by implicit support of the platform?

      It’s a tough call. It is difficult to reach out to outsiders and talk to them but it’s the only way to have a conversation with them.