Europe is rolling out measures to keep data local and reduce reliance on foreign tech.
  • Kkk2237pl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5 days

    But > 9/10 Europeans use whastapp / messenger for daily basis.

    9/10 european companies decide to use Aws, azure or gcp, instructions of Scaleway or ovh.

    9/10 europeans use Chatgpt or Claude instead of mistral or Lumo

        • Dyskolos@lemmy.zipEnglish
          5 days

          Probably more in the realm of 99.999%. Without exaggeration. Some countries even use WhatsApp for government shit.

          So sad, why would anyone freely use WA at all. People use tech without the slightest critique. Pure consumers…

  • chunes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 days

    Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.

    • mcv@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6 days

      For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.

      Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.

      • freely1333@reddthat.comEnglish
        6 days

        Data control laws to prevent the sale of data not the government use of data.

        • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6 days

          governments often buy data instead of obtaining the necessary warrants, because its easier and more effective. if they can’t buy it, they have to do it the harder way, and the harder way can be made even harder with legislation

          • freely1333@reddthat.comEnglish
            6 days

            The us isn’t fond of other countries spying on you either. The state has not relinquished any amount of power or control in my lifetime. Europe caring about privacy is a facade.

    • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6 days

      It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

      • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        6 days

        It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

        That’s only the excuse the politicians are using. In reality there’s a combination of intelligence services and datamining operations pushing for scanning ordinary law-abiding citizens communications.

    • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6 days

      Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.

      At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.

    • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6 days

      I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.

      China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        6 days

        they can do plenty enough to be worried. maybe they can not harm you physically (for now), but by having access to details of the private lives of people, their conversations, and being able to see how they form their opinions, they can use that information to determine how can they reshape public opinion on topics of their interests. this information can be used by themselves, or they can pass it to an ally, and it could be used to change almost anything, like interfere with elections, or further erode the need for privacy so that people are willingly giving up even more data to them

      • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
        6 days

        Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”

        • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          6 days

          I’d like to think they’d be more accommodating.

          “Ahhh Mr. Albatross, we’ve seen your social media traffic and we’ve been expecting you! In anticipation of your arrival, we’ve prepared some lovely poop, if you would just step this way…”

    • Hakuso@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
      5 days

      Honestly, I prefer someone else’s untrustworthy.

      I don’t trust China at all, but I trust them over the US, if only because they have no stake in me as a foreigner.

        • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5 days

          They are all in on renewables. The US want everyone on oil and coal, the US wants the junky to keep and dependency.

          We are the bad guys.

          • markko@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5 days

            I don’t really see how that is relevant. Or how a country’s energy sources alone can determine whether they are “good” or “bad”.

              • markko@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5 days

                I don’t think it’s anything more than short-term versus long-term thinking.

                I would not describe either country as “good”, but that has nothing to do with the above statement.

                • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  4 days

                  The us focusing exclusively on the short term is what I like consider evil, and the stability of a long term-term focus is good.

  • Chippys_mittens@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 days

    As someone born and living in the US, I also don’t trust the US or China… or pretty much anyone with my data.

  • w3dd1e@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 days

    As an American, I also don’t trust the US firms with my data.

    • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
      5 days

      Me either, but I also have zero faith in Europe to guard human rights. There are no good guys here.

  • IratePirate@feddit.orgEnglish
    6 days

    To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      6 days

      Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6 days

        To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.

        • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
          6 days

          The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.

          • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            6 days

            Don’t pretend like Chat Control is ever going to get through.

            Each time they are going to vote it down, it gets retracted and changed slightly so they can try again. And every time it gets voted down again.

            Politicians know that they would get out-voted in the next election if they go through with it.

          • Attacker94@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6 days

            Iirc they just passed something that enforced the opposite to chat control to stop the constant reintroduction of the same over reaching law

        • JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.netEnglish
          6 days

          And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.

          GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.

          • CAVOK@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6 days

            Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.

            • jumjummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5 days

              Unless you’re Facebook or any other social media giant. GDPR is just an minor tax on their profit.

  • quack@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 days

    If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5 days

      I trust that they’ll be complete push-overs when it comes to law enforcement and agency data requests without a warrant.

      Outside of moving data overseas, away from 5/9-eyes, I’m having a bad time figuring out how to obtain cryptographic control over my data within existing services. This leaves me to just upload crypto blobs everywhere with no real services to support it, or buying my own hardware and co-locating it myself.

  • bountygiver [any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
    5 days

    Good, also don’t trust european firms either, don’t trust any corporations with your data.

    • Azal@pawb.socialEnglish
      5 days

      It’s amazing how many people cheer for corporations. There’s few consistents in the world but a big one is corporations are not your friend.

  • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
    5 days

    I’m American and don’t trust U.S. firms with data.

    To be clear, I also don’t trust Chinese firms.

    • filcuk@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5 days

      I don’t trust my own government, and have no reason to trust anyone else at this point, let alone for profit companies. It’s bleak.

  • Wilco@lemmy.zipEnglish
    6 days

    I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.

  • Blander_Rurton@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5 days

    Why on earth would we!? China especially don’t have the best track record, and the US is the laughing stock of the world at this point, not to trusted with anything.

    • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
      5 days

      Definitely, and “data” is just a single bullet point on the list lol

      It’d be like going to a quack doctor and saying “No way am I letting you operate on my brain! …open heart surgery? Yeah, that’s fine” lol

  • shirasho@feddit.onlineEnglish
    6 days

    I live in the US and I dont trust US companies with my data either. They either sell it or are handled by easily exploitable systems developed offshore in India.

    So, in that sense I do not trust the US, China, India, or Russia with my data and avoid software developed in any of these places when feasibly possible.

    • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6 days

      Even FOSS software? The Linux Foundation’s headquartered in the US.

      I do get the rationale, but honestly you could just change that to “proprietary software” and you’d have more options with just as much data security.

      • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        6 days

        Are you giving data to the Linux Foundation?

        He clearly says “with my data”?

        • Gal@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5 days

          Yeah, I just send a copy of my medical records to them through email

  • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5 days

    I despise the US from the bottom of my heart, and I am a big China fan, and yet at the same time I don’t want anyone to handle our data. We need data sovereignty. Our data stays here and that’s it. Not in the US. Not in China. Not anywhere else.