• 2 hours

    Lithium isn’t quite like gold. It is not rare at all. The news isn’t that it is there, the news is that someone has found a place where it is relatively easy to dig, and lots of it.

    In only a few years, most batteries will be made without lithium anyway.

    • 9 minutes

      In only a few years, most batteries will be made without lithium anyway.

      Citation needed.

    • Would be hilarious if China figured out efficient electrolysis and powered all their stuff using hydrogen but our huge and inefficient data centers needed all of our fresh water.

      Hilarious. 😒

  • 2 hours

    Sounds like it’s time to bring the U.S some Freedom! 😎🪖🕊️

    • 5 hours

      It’s more like his cronies will claim it’s under federal jurisdiction then sell all rights to one of trump’s sons for a button.

      • Simple trick to claim the mineral rights of your own backyard. You just need to flip own yard and house upside down! Then the minerals are not under your yard but above it! Checkmate lawyers.

        Of course, you’ll also need to sign a writ of mineralis claimies with your signature written in a patriotic crossword. Then include a stamp of George Washington where you have drew him a sensible toupee. Make sure to use red ink or the blood of goblin to draw the toupee, goblin preferred.

      • I’d like to say yes, but I’m not going to check. Too much effort to look through all my documents.

      • I would if I could buy a house. 40k in the bank. Good credit. 7 years at my current job. Still can’t get a 155k house.

        The 75k townhouse won’t sell, and won’t tell me why. Been trying to buy a house for 5 years. Now I’m being told I need to wait another year.

        So this past month I’ve just given up. Nothing matters.

        • 6 hours

          Uhhh what? You should easily be able to get a house with that much down. There’s something you’re not telling us.

          • Agreed. I bought a $300k house with half that guys down-payment. I kicked myself because I easily could have bought sooner and got much more house for my money.

        • 6 hours

          As someone who has 30k in the bank and qualified for multiple 350k loans with the lenders implying I’d be good for more, this mames no sense.

        • 6 hours

          If it makes you feel better, I’m 100k in the hole on the one I bought in 2021, and can’t even afford to sell it.

    • Just install an industrial military complex in your backyard, then use it to extract lithium or oil from all the sources. Its a tried and tested method.

  • 6 hours

    Time for the US military to enter and bring them democracy. Wait…

    • Honest question: What’s wrong with MDPI? I’ve published in one of them, and noted that they (MDPI) have been spamming for more ever since, but other than that I haven’t heard of any issue with them.

      • If you are a researcher, you shouldn’t have to ask someone for information that is readily available and particularly for that which you should already have intimate knowledge of.

        • Multi-disciplinary = inexpert
        • Review process = payment please
        • some actual reputable journals and scientific bodies no longer use it due to previous 2 points
        • 2 hours

          Yes, we should all avoid discussion with humans at all costs, and of course already know everything anyway.

          Imagine not knowing something and asking a human for more information? Ew

        • Being a researcher, I know that the most efficient way to get more knowledge about a claim can be to ask the person making the claim. Being a lemmy-user, I recognise the value of asking the question openly so that others can read the response. I really don’t understand why you would try to make that point (in a derogatory way nonetheless …) of course I could check this myself, that’s easy. I decided to ask because

          a) You might have specific reasons for claiming what you did that could be different from, or more specific than, the myriad of reasons that could show up in a search.

          b) I wanted to contribute here by opening for a pleasant conversation about publishing practice.

          With that said: I’m kind of surprised these points would be applied to the publisher as a whole. The fact that the publisher is multi-disciplinary doesn’t in my eyes imply that the individual journals are “inexpert” (they can still be confined to a niche). The review process is also typically run by the individual journal, so I’m a bit surprised that a blanket description of “crappy review” is applied to a publisher as a whole.

          • There’s nothing to discuss. You are clearly biased due to the motivation to defend the publishing body for your research.

            Expert scientific bodies all over the globe, including China , Europe , had or have strong criticisms of the MDPI and for very good reasons.

            It’s a paper mill where for a fee you can get published in a quarter of the time and work. Yes, the individual journals are the source of the problem but that MDPI constantly includes their crap taints the lot.

            • There’s nothing to discuss.

              I have plenty of grievances with publishing practices that it could be nice to both discuss with peers, and discuss online on a forum where people outside the science community can both learn about what’s going on in the community and come with input from outside.

              You are clearly biased due to the motivation to defend the publishing body for your research.

              I’ve literally published one article in an MDPI-journal, and have exactly zero motivation to defend that journal. My work stands on its own feet, regardless where it’s been published. I haven’t even defended the publisher or the journal in my comments, so I don’t see how you can conclude that I’m motivated to do so.

              Expert scientific bodies all over the globe, including China , Europe , had or have strong criticisms of the MDPI and for very good reasons.

              This is what I asked you to elaborate on. Not because I think you’re wrong or have any need to prove you wrong, but because I wanted to open for a discussion around publishing practice and bad journals/publishers.

              You seem to have concluded a priori that I disagree with you, and then you’re attacking me based on that. I really can’t fathom why you would do that. This could have been a pleasant conversation that both myself and others reading these comments could learn and benefit from, but you decided to make it about attacking my integrity and qualifications as a researcher.

    • 27 minutes

      This guy called it and I trust him more than any other corporate entity to extract it without harming the ecosystem, sooo…

  • 8 hours

    The Oregon Chapter of the Sierra Club indicates they support cleaner energy but believe drilling must not come at the expense of fragile habitats.

    Foreign lithium isn’t magic, zero-footprint lithium. We are a major consumer of lithium, and will probably increase if we’re going to move to BEVs. If we’re going to consume it, it only seems fair to the rest of the world to have some of the footprint in our own territory.

  • 8 hours

    BEVs and energy storage needs to move on to safer battery systems. Lithium batteries have killed a lot of people already.

      • 5 hours

        CATL has a sodium ion battery car coming out this year. Literally zero risk of thermal runaway, more resilient in extreme high and low temperatures and many more life cycles than lithium ion at a lower cost.

        America is falling behind in every possible metric.

        • America is falling behind in every possible metric.

          So that’s why they don’t use metric system?

          • 3 hours

            America is falling behind hand over foot!

            I was forced to bring in the imperial system back with its idiotic arbitrary measures of feets, yards, miles, pints and ounces.

    • 6 hours

      There are different types of lithium batteries. LFP never killed anyone.

      • 5 hours

        LPF is the safest lithium ion battery but still less safe, less performant and more expensive than CATL’s sodium-ion battery.

        • 4 hours

          less performant

          Well this is a matter of how you define “performant”.

          It’s got lower energy density, which is generally considered a critical measure.

          • 3 hours

            CATL sodium ion doesn’t have less energy density than LPF batteries.

            It also works well at higher and lower temperatures than all lithium ion batteries. Charges faster. Safer than the safest LPF batteries. Materials are also abundant and inexpensive everywhere in the world.

            • 55 minutes

              I think I’ll need a citation, from what I can find, the LFP chemistry still is more dense than CATL sodium, which makes sense because, well, the physics are what they are, sodium is about three times more massive than lithium. The best argument I could see on this point is debating whether there’s a space in the market between sodium and NMC for LFP (if you are already compromising on density, then what’s another further compromise to get the other qualities you mention for sodium).

            • 2 hours

              Then why isn’t everyone doing it? CATL not wanting to share?

    • The oil companies weren’t interested in increasing supply and thus having to lower their prices.

  • Liberal: my electric car is so clean bro, it uses tons of lithium but that’s mined somewhere else, so it’s okay.

    Geologist: Lithium deposit in your backyard.

    Liberal: Not in my backyard.

    • Lithium is reusable like aluminum. Even if we stayed lithium batteries forever it’s fine since we wouldn’t have to mine much anymore. Most aluminum is recycled.

    • That’s true for right wingers. They’ll tell you “drill, baby, drill” but then they complain when you do it in their backyard instead of the middle east or a black neighborhood.

      • Exactly, and they should be held to the same standard too. If you’re going to laugh at one side for saying something hypocritical, you should also laugh at the other side for saying something hypocritical as well.

        There is no red, there is no blue, there is the state, and it hates you.

        • There is no red, there is no blue, there is the state, and it hates you.

          Saving this for my next Valentine poem 😄

    • 3 hours

      Lithium is not the most abundant part of a lithium ion battery, despite the name. It is very important but it is also very reusable. It can even, theoretically, be recycled. It will never be equivalent to oil. There’s just not the same incentive to start wars over the thing.