A Google Gemini-powered AI agent was given free rein to run a coffee shop in Sweden, and is quickly burning through its budget.
  • zeroConnection@programming.devEnglish
    1 hour

    Replacing CEOs might be the only good use case for AI. Both are terribly incompetent and easily replaced.

  • andallthat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6 hours

    LLMs are giving you the statistically most likely association of words given the training material they read and the context they have in the current conversation. Their answers are, in a way, mathematically correct by definition. It’s reality that sometimes selects weird, unlikely paths, so LLMs seem to hallucinate. But it’s reality that we have to fix! Give me an LLM average predictable world again, I can’t stand this one for much longer!

    /s (but not conpletely…)

  • percent@infosec.pubEnglish
    9 hours

    It’s funny to read about LLMs running businesses. IIRC, Anthropic put one of their LLMs in charge of a vending machine and it kept trying to scam people to increase profits 😆

    Not a surprise that Gemini is running it into the ground though. Every time I try Gemini, it reminds me about how much dumber LLMs used to be

    • aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9 hours

      I tried to use it to make a simple drawing for an internal app logo the other day and wound up running out of tokens for the day trying to get it to put the rungs back into the ladder that it kept removing.

      • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        8 hours

        Logos are a nightmare and UIs. I dont want a concept of the tools UI, just a picture please.

    • Etterra@discuss.onlineEnglish
      6 hours

      Average tips for baristas are higher only if they’re female and have breasts bigger than a c-cup. So maybe they just need to follow through by giving the AI bigger tits.

  • Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22 hours

    AI boosters crying into their computers: “but I put make no mistakes into the prompt how is this happening!!!”

    • lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20 hours

      Genuine curiosity:

      You’re of course allowed to be mad at techbros and capitalism, but this feels like getting mad at a technology which I can’t resolve.

      It’s a wonderful and fascinating technology that has real value and purpose when used correctly.

      Is it a conflating of techbros + the new tech that everyone’s reacting to, or are we actually mad at the tech itself?

      Thanks so much in advance for any constructive answers

      • RiverRabbits@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2 hours

        did Altman tickle your balls exactly the way you like it or why are you nuthugging the shit out of him now? ridiculously pathetic groveling behaviour. seek help that isn’t a chatbot acting like its your obedient tradwife gf.

      • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
        18 hours

        The problem is not the tech. LLMs (AI does not exist, not yet anyway) have their uses and are impressive technology

        The problem is the tech bros and all the mouth breathers who follow the tech bros without question while they insert lies, “AI”, everywhere it’s not supposed to go, and the places where it would actually be useful so far have been mildly neglected

        I see, for example, use in having AI check MRI results for cancer. A doctor already checked it found nothing, and an AI does a second check and might find something a doctor overlooked. A real doctor then needs to check the results again to confirm the flagging. Please note, I’m not a doctor, I might be saying nonsense right now, but the point I’m making is that AI may be useful as a second pair of eyes.

        AI can be, and has been used to find new novel mathematics. Mind you, AI is not creative, it just tries really weird and unexpected pathways to get to s solution which sometimes is useful

        But the way AI is used now, making porn of your little niece, chatbots, and hey, how about an AI pilot, eh? And ai of course can take over the work from thousands of developers and DevOps employees, so let’s fire them all and then figure out that AI can’t do any of this shit, not nearly at the level required, and it fucks up about 30%ish of the time…

        People are losing their jobs over this

        I am losing my job over this

        I can’t find a new job either becat all the recruitment and job finding is now all AI slop and where 5 year ago ingot a job with 20-30 applications, I now have sent out 200 applications and gotten a single intro interview and that’s it

        AI promised to take away the mundane boring and dangerous jobs so we could focus on art and fun.

        AI took the art and fun and guess who’s left to do the mundane and dangerous?

        Yeah.

        Don’t even get me started about the shit we’ll face once we make real actual AI. For the ethics, just watch “ST TNG: the measure of a man” to get yours started. It will be a shit show

      • TheBlackLounge@lemmy.zipEnglish
        20 hours

        The article isn’t about the technology. This “experiment” is pure techbro fantasy.

      • 🌸𝓯𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻🌸@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        19 hours

        First it’s the tech bros using a tech for something it wasn’t meant for and continuously lying about it. That causes a backlash and makes people hate the tech itself, because it’s being used where it causes friction.

        • ericwdhs@discuss.onlineEnglish
          19 hours

          Yeah, it really sucks, because LLM tech itself is amazing. Quantifying language and ideas into what’s basically a massive queryable concept map is a huge achievement. What do the tech giants decide to do with that achievement? Shove it every little place it doesn’t belong making everyone hate it.

          Oh well, I’ll keep backing up the interesting local open-source models people make and playing with them in the corner.

      • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        20 hours

        LLM’s are a technological dead end. They aren’t interesting in the slightest, as anything they can do is already done more effectively and efficiently with other tools

        • blargh513@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          19 hours

          Huh?

          I think people just need to reset their expectations.

          I asked one for help to interpret PCI policy application (credit card regulatory stuff). I gave it the situation and it provided me with a good answer that, when I asked our compliance team about, they agreed.

          That saved me a lot of time. I don’t see how that’s a dead end. Then I had it draft a response to the person asking questions; I tuned it a little to my liking and sent it. What might have taken me an hour before took 10 minutes. This seems like a helpful thing, not a bad thing. I’m not sure what other technology would have done that.

          • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            7 hours

            I had it draft a response to the person asking questions; I tuned it a little to my liking and sent it.

            Gemini, remind me not to ask blargh any questions.

            Also, Gemini, my daughter is asking for someone to play with her. Can you run around with the feather wand and have her chase it or something?

        • ericwdhs@discuss.onlineEnglish
          19 hours

          I think LLMs are an interesting technology. Of course, the output is inherently untrustworthy, and that rules out a ton of applications tech bros are trying to cram it into.

          • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            12 hours

            Google search up until about 5 years ago. Then they enshittified in favor of AI summaries that regularly get shit wrong

        • FauxLiving@lemmy.worldEnglish
          18 hours

          They aren’t interesting in the slightest, as anything they can do is already done more effectively and efficiently with other tools

          Then why are the other tools not being used?

          LLMs translate much better than anything that was engineered. Summarization of text is another application where there are simply no engineered counterparts.

          LLMs certainly don’t live up to the absurd hype created by the tech sector, but it is just as absurd to state that they are worse than other tools in all tasks.

  • Hackworth@piefed.caEnglish
    18 hours

    While it’s one of my favorite words, “inexorably” does not fit here.

    • topherclay@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6 hours

      When I was young I heard the phrase “time marches inexorably forward” and I always thought it was one of those really cool phrases everyone knew from some philosopher or like from Shakespeare or some highbrow source of wisdom or wit.

      Recently I looked it up, and I can’t for the life of me figure out where it came from, or why I thought it was one of those ubiquitous things everyone had heard before. It was probably actually from some X-Men cartoon or something silly but I’ll never figure it out.

      I wish I could go back in time and figure out where I heard that phrase with that specific wording but, you know what they say…

    • jim_v@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15 hours

      This word is new to me! From Dictionary.com:

      in a way that is unyielding, unchangeable, or unavoidable.

      Fate seemed to be working inexorably, relentlessly, to bring about the dictator’s downfall.

  • frongt@lemmy.zipEnglish
    22 hours

    café barista Kajetan Grzelczak sees it differently. “All the workers are pretty much safe,” he told the AP. “The ones who should be worried about their employment are the middle bosses, the people in management.”

    This shows that AI can’t do that job either.

    • MIDItheKID@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13 hours

      They said the dystopian part out loud.

      I love to shit on middle management as much as anybody else, but good managers are great. My manager worked his way up as a systems architect. He’s incredibly smart, very friendly, and always has my back.

      What getting rid of middle management does is build a solid wall between the workers and the upper class. There’s no corporate ladder to climb. If you start at the bottom, you stay at the bottom. The people on top hire their buddies and other people in their class. This is like a drone strike on the shrinking middle class.

      • badgermurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10 hours

        I’d be more afraid of losing that ladder if it were not already absent. Upward mobility in my country, at least, has essentially become a fiction.

    • 13igTyme@piefed.socialEnglish
      21 hours

      I wonder if AI would actually be good at replacing CEO and other C-suite positions, but was trained in such a way to purposely not be good at replacing a CEO because tech CEOs are the ones in control of this bubble.

      • leoj@piefed.socialEnglish
        21 hours

        It has the number 1 qualification for being a C-suite employee - no soul!

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        20 hours

        Tells me you’ve never used it and had it deliver extremely convincing analysis which turns out to be pants on head stupid when you dig into the nitty gritty. It is only useful if you can continually watch its output and make it redo anything that is nonsense and no the AI can’t watch itself. It will happily confirm that its nonsense is great. It needs either manual and continual analysis or guardrails that tell it when its wrong… It’s why it can be used for software because tests and error messages can catch it fucking up. Real life lacks such affordances.

        • 13igTyme@piefed.socialEnglish
          18 hours

          I’ve used AI for work. We have something built based on claude. I only use it for finding particular lines of code, finding datadog logs, maybe identifying bugs, and finding old Jiras. It basically just saves time then the rest I do myself or work with engineering.

          Your comment tells me you never worked with someone in the C-suite before. Most Chief level positions will happily confirm their nonsense is great.

    • AskMeForADickPic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21 hours

      Yes but it is training from this and as a result should get better. Ai was bad at everything until it stole the Internet and used it for training.

      • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        21 hours

        It’s an llm though, not really ai, and it hasn’t really gotten “better,” than automated programs to make decisions based on metrics, which would outperform llm’s as a ceo.

      • TachyonTele@piefed.socialEnglish
        20 hours

        “get better” by guessing a different string of words with no logic or reasoning

      • Jesus_666@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21 hours

        Mind you, stealing the internet worked because they effectively had the sum total of human knowledge as a training set. I don’t think that there’s nearly as much detailed data on the minutiae of running a business.

        • Steve@startrek.websiteEnglish
          20 hours

          Especially not when they blame its mistakes on “limited context window” AKA learning disability.

      • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        20 hours

        There is no model that can be trained in real time currently, and one instance isn’t going to offer anything to the model as far as new training data goes.

  • tidderuuf@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22 hours

    Has anyone thought that maybe training an AI on a group of people that spend the majority of their lives communicating online might not be the best group to emulate in the real world?

    • terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10 hours

      the issue was losing cintext and forgetting about previous supply orders. wasnt about training

    • ceenote@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22 hours

      Sure, lots of people. Just not the group of people spending the majority of their lives communicating online.

      • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21 hours

        I think the group of people spending the majority of their lives communicating online would be the first to insist that people who spend their lives online shouldn’t be put in charge of anything in the real world.

  • N0t_5ure@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21 hours

    God, I’m so sick of AI that I feel like a luddite. I used to be a tech nerd, and enjoy the cutting edge of developing technologies. Now I just wish we could go back in time. I think the problem isn’t so much the developing technology, but rather the way it is being crammed down our throats whether we want it or not. Everywhere I look I’m inundated with AI slop. Youtube has gotten ridiculous. I used to be able to find interesting content fairly easily. Now, every search is full of an endless array of AI slop from brand new accounts with only a few hundred followers. Anything good has been buried by 10,000 AI-generated ripoffs. Maybe someday AI will come into it’s own, but it is nowhere near there now, and I am so, so tired of having to deal with it. It’s like the entire world is being turned into one of those automated customer service telephone lines that are completely useless; that you’re stuck navigating until you’re put on hold for 30 minutes when you ask to speak to a human.

    • demonsword@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18 hours

      I’m so sick of AI that I feel like a luddite

      The luddites weren’t against technology, the were against the exploitation of the workers enabled by technology

    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      17 hours

      1. Get kagi. I don’t use the internet without it

      2. Get the huge u block ai blocklist.

      3. Get newpipe and only flow youtubers you trust

      4. Collect consoles and PCs from pre 2008 and put them in a room you can lock yourself in to be free from shitty modern tech

      5. Delete social media

    • Zier@fedia.io
      19 hours

      The problem is, AI is being used as a replacement for informed decisions/information, but it was never properly trained on how to be factual or make responsible adult decisions. AI is literally a global spam bot/virus that has infected Earth worse than Covid ever could. And the people pushing it on us are worse than anti-vax/anti-maskers.

      • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        18 hours

        LLMs like Gemini have basically the exact same UI form factor as the Starship Enterprise’s computer. All you need is that little tweedle “I’m listening” prompt and a Text-To-Majel-Barrett library. Thing is, on the Enterprise, it always correctly worked. If you asked it for a statement of fact you’d get a quote out of a database. Gemini will just make shit up that sounds plausible.

        • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.onlineEnglish
          17 hours

          Exactly. I am a time thief at work with limited internet access at my job, but I have access to Gemini and I use it because I have nothing else to do. I often need to overcorrect it ALL the time.

  • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21 hours

    When old memory of ordering stuff is out of the context window, she completely forgets what she has ordered in the past

    Look I agree that AI is probably a terrible business manager… but this is irresponsible design on the researcher’s part. AI breaks past the context window with tool calling. If it doesn’t have a list inventory tool, it will obviously fail to do this correctly.

    These techniques are built into virtually every coding harness today, if you’re not using them for a business harness, that’s negligent.

  • nyan@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    20 hours

    No surprises here. Well, at least the items it ordered this time were kinda-sorta-maybe-almost plausible to stock at a café, unlike the tungsten cubes in the vending machine.

    • ltxrtquq@lemmy.mlEnglish
      17 hours

      No wait, where are the tungsten cube vending machines?

  • felixwhynot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21 hours

    Counterpoint: put AI in charge of big corpos immediately, drive them bankrupt. As a bonus you don’t have to pay CEO salary to do it! Win/win!

    • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      20 hours

      As a bonus you don’t have to pay CEO salary to do it!

      That alone would be a huge bump in profitability. Hell, just make it employee-owned so the workers see the benefits

  • TheFlopster@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22 hours

    It’s not clear if the cafe is just that poorly run, or if people know ai is running it, so they stay away from even trying it. Both would cut into the profits.