• EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
    43 minutes

    Lol, that’s fucking hilarious.

    I asked a friend who was a server what they did if the math was incorrect. He said that they used the total amount.

  • HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world
    32 minutes

    I’ve done this my whole life. “Math” drawn cutesy if I have time. I can art, not math.

  • iocase@lemmy.zip
    2 hours

    Make each digit of the tip a number that adds up to 9 with the subtotal except for the last digit. First is 7, last digit needs to add up to a value of 10

    42.17

    07.83

  • SaraTonin@lemmy.world
    3 hours

    US tip culture is so weird. I’m talking about the comments as much as the pic

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      what about it is weird?

      our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour, and they make all their income base on tips. people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income. it does create a bit of a feast of famine in the service industry, as if you can get a lucrative dinner shift at a higher end restaurant, you can make a good living, which is otherwise in accessible to people without degrees or specialized skills.

      • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
        43 minutes

        our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour

        That’s the part that is weird. And I live in the U.S.

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          18 minutes

          the average wage with tips is like 20/hour, which is significantly more than minimum wage, and in some places more than double.

          hence why people who work in these jobs are against the removing of tipping, because they’d make less money.

          what’s hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them. because in their ignorant opinion they ‘know better’ than these folks.

      • LePoisson@lemmy.world
        45 minutes

        people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income.

        Honestly, as someone who worked in the service industry … Nah not really. Also the only way you can “dodge taxes” is to not report your cash tips, everything else that’s not cash automatically gets thrown into your income because it’s all computerized now.

        Most people would prefer a living wage and healthcare benefits (plus 401k, and dental and other “normal” benefits that most corpo folks get).

        Like you can easily get absolutely fucked over money wise depending on what sections your waiting, if you have a big party that tries to split the bills up and avoid auto gratuity that way (common where I worked which sucked) and get screwed by the low tips on the split checks … You might just have some folks that come in and just don’t tip for whatever reason, weather is horrible so nobody comes in, etc etc.

        It’s not a great way to live. Not to mention many restaurants have a culture that’s just generally exploitative so even putting all the above aside it’s not the best work environment for a lot of folks.

        Not saying that all the above is true for all establishments but that’s my take and experience.

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15 minutes

          cool. my state propose a initiative to remove tips entirely two years ago, it was viciously voted down 2 to 1, and ever bartender or service person i know was violently against it because they knew their income would go down if it passed.

          fwiw I voted for it.

          • LePoisson@lemmy.world
            12 minutes

            Well I guess you and I know different people in the industry.

            Also a lot of them aren’t exactly … The brightest bulbs, people vote against their own self interests all the time. That’s how we got Trump in the White House … Ugh.

      • HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub
        2 hours

        I will be honest. I find that weird.

        Do you underpay the shop clerks too, with the assumption that they will simply take part of the money handed to them by shopping clients?

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2 hours

          No. shop clerks aren’t providing a personal service. they just stand there and ring you up.

            • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12 minutes

              No, it’s not. I was a cashier for years. I was not doing any service for anyone. I was taking money from the customer and literally nothing else. The service I provided was for the store, not for the customer.

              a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table. You are on your feet, moving around, putting on a show for people. that’s a lot more work than what I did. I never wanted to be a server because it I would hate to have to work so much, even if I made more money.

              Hell, in Europe cashiers sit down on the job the entire shift.

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3 hours

          cool. to me it’s about as normal as drinking water from the tap.

          is that weird in your country? i understand many places tap water is not potable.

          • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3 hours

            I’m my country drinking tap water is as normal as paying people a living wage. We don’t usually tip, because people are payed enough already.

            I’d say the only thing we seem to have in common is that people love tax evasion.

            • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3 hours

              service workers do earn a living wage. they get it from tips. tips are the wage. it’s just paid directly by the customer rather than the business owner. the business owner never gets any of the tips, unless they are stealing.

              maybe it would make more sense to you if you consider them as contract workers who are working for you individually when you go into a restaurant? and those who do better jobs often get better wages, and/or those who are more attractive.

              • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                3 hours

                Wage is predetermined by contract. Getting tips is random money with no guarantees.

                No idea why people defend this system. Depending on goodwill of random people is not the way to go.

                • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3 hours

                  OK, you can come to america and start a restaurant without tips and see how it goes. You can prove everyone here wrong!

                  or… places here have tried that before and almost all of them have failed because it’s not sustainable to pay people $25+ an hour and customers won’t pay the prices on that food when they can go down the street and pay half as much.

                  good news is you don’t live here, so it’s none of your concern really.

  • naeap@sopuli.xyz
    6 hours

    I’ll never understand, how it can be, that I don’t get a final receipt

    Like, usually, I’m saying, I’m tipping (insert whatever), then in the US I’ll hand over my card and need to trust them to put in the amount I intended to

    I have no way of directly verifying

    And everyone was angry at my just for asking and the poor barkeeper cried…as she didn’t understand, that it wasn’t about her…

    Felt like an ass, just questioning the system

    • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
      39 minutes

      I have (intentionally) left a large tip when I’m hanging out somewhere for a long time with a low ticket value. The credit card company flags it and asks me via text to confirm that the tip is correct.

      I don’t know if it’s strictly based on % or on deviations from your usual pattern.

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
      3 hours

      Thankfully places in the US are slowly switching to those wireless POS terminals that are brought to the table. So many cards get skimmed when handed to servers and they leave your sight.

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 hours

      you keep the receipt, that way if you are charged wrongly you just sent the receipt to your CC and chargeback the restaurant.

      it has happened to me a few times, maybe once every 2-3 years, the server will decide I didn’t tip enough and my 10 dollar tip becomes 100 dollars. often they can get away with this because a lot of folks never check their receipts.

      you are supposed to tip based on service level. it’s entirely subjective.

      • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
        2 hours

        0 tip for everyone. I order to go.

        You haven’t provided a service. Eating alone in restaurants freaks me out :v

      • naeap@sopuli.xyz
        3 hours

        That’s the thing, it’s just so much more effort

        Doing some bar hopping at night and paying with card, it becomes completely impossible to really keep track, if the waiter just upped the tip

        Or maybe I just was to drunk and have written poorly

        It’s just a shit system, without a way to directly verify on the spot

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3 hours

          i don’t regard it as difficult. i’ve been doing it systematically for 30+ years now, ever since I was a teenager.

          • naeap@sopuli.xyz
            2 hours

            It’s just more work than it should be and it can be much easier

            I just don’t understand, why USA-ians always defend this system

            It’s much more effort and error prone

              • naeap@sopuli.xyz
                2 hours

                Because it’s cheaper and usually not necessary to have additional electrolytes

                Edit: and I’m stopping here
                This is getting beyond stupid
                You guys defend an inferior system, because you don’t want to change, because it was always that way
                At least, that I get from your answers

                I can’t argue with that…

                • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  9 minutes

                  Right, and your presumption you inherently correct and an entire other culture you aren’t a part of is stupid… is not stupid and arrogant… at all.

      • naeap@sopuli.xyz
        2 hours

        In Europe, I usually get a receipt and can write the tip on top of that, than I’ll pay everything and get the real receipt, including the tip

        Why should I even need to check into a stupid app, I don’t even want to have?

        It’s just so much easier to see the real paid amount at the end

        Edit: and just saying, I’ve been doing that all my life, doesn’t make it better
        “That’s how we’ve always done it” is the thing that stands against progress

        If a system is better, than it’s better - and we can compare

        So, what I’m up to:
        Maybe I’m missing something here, which makes this blind trust better in some way, but nobody told me how

  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
    23 hours

    I’m good at math except after more than one drink. Ngl, I really like it when the bill has a list of percentages and totals to preview. I’d like it even more if we just charged what food and labor cost and got rid of this nonsense though.

    • BigDiction@lemmy.world
      18 hours

      Move the decimal one place left and double it for 20%. Do it for the sub total if you prefer not to tip on tax.

      • hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works
        10 hours

        Been doing this for years. I evangelize it all the time, and people still don’t understand, or they try to make it more complicated than it is. But it’s literally THIS easy, so easy. It’s not even math at this point, especially if you only double the dollar amount and ignore the change, a kindergartener could do it.

        Yet people refuse to learn a “new weird way”.

        You don’t have to understand it, just do it. This is literally the easiest way. I will die on this hill.

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3 hours

          they can’t do basic arthimetic. yeah it seems super easy to you, but most folks don’t know how to multiple by 2 without a calculator. and they refuse to learn.

          i’ve met people who work in mathetmatics, like stats, and still can’t do basic tipping without a phone to do it for them. it’s just something they refuse to learn or practice, mostly out of fear they will get it wrong.

    • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zipEnglish
      23 hours

      I have a CS degree and a maþ minor. I will unashamedly use my phone calculator in situations like þis. Or if þere’s any rush.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    English
    19 hours

    Well, the Roman numeral M is 1000, so this is a pretty good tip. Not sure about the rest, but hey I’ll take.

  • Lighttrails@sh.itjust.works
    1 day

    I expressed my displeasure of these tickets at a bar I work at to one of my coworkers. They then pointed out that in Toast POS you can just punch in the total bill and it generates the tip for you

  • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    1 day

    FYI, most places will just use the total if there’s anything wrong with your math (assuming it’s at least what you owe) so this is perfectly valid.

    • Brokkr@lemmy.world
      1 day

      The addition is the hard part though, calculating the tip amount is easy. Can you write in just the tip amount and let them figure it out at the POS?

      • PenguinMage@lemmy.world
        20 hours

        Every system I’ve used and currently use you enter the tip amount, so writing how much you want to tip is actually fine. Though I’ll usually ask for you to write in the total or ask if it’s fine if I do. Technically the cc company cares about that line in case of disputes.

      • Reziarfg@lemmy.world
        1 day

        But the receipt in the OP didnt have any math? They just decided on a total and wrote it down.

  • DreamButt@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22 hours

    Idk why people don’t just give whole number tips. It’s so much easier to just add $5 to something

  • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1 day

    $7.83

    My method:

    • 42.17 + 8.00 = 50.17
    • 8 - 1 = 7
    • 0.17 - 0.02 = 0.15
    • 0.85 + 0.15 = 1.00
    • 0.85 - 0.02 = 0.83
      • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        23 hours

        What’s the problem with this method? I figure out tips through mental math, without any paper. This is just explaining how I do that mental math

        • Lung@lemmy.world
          19 hours

          Yeah you did it in the hardest way possible hahaha

          Just subtract 17 from 100 to get the cents. 83. There, done. Or at least 100 - 10 - 7

          • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            19 hours

            I can’t do mental math that easily. I struggle with visualizing it, I think better in multiples of 5, and subtraction is more intuitive to me

    • farmgineer@nord.pubEnglish
      23 hours

      Mine:

      • ends in not 00, so add whatever makes the ones digit a 9 (7 in this case).
      • make the cents even -> .20 (add .03)
      • go to 100 (add .80)

      I think, anyway. I can mostly just look at it and know.

      • rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1 day

        I used to do calculators for tips, but noticed my mental acuity slipping. I started calculating tips in my head to keep myself sharp

    • Lung@lemmy.world
      23 hours

      the nerdiest possible interpretation of a scribbled 00