Also: probably the worse wikipedia page to accidentally send to the family group chat 👀
Germany: no unless same gender. Which opens uncomfortable doors in combination with being able to change your legal gender.
Wtf France? Lol
that is such an italian thing to do
The Lucrezia Borgia clause
xD
The population of Iceland is so small, they have a special app to consult when two people meet, so they can figure out if they are too closely related.
Must make single bars awkward:
“Are you from the South? Because you’re the only Tennessee!”
“Yeah, okay Buster, lemme stop you right there. How do you spell your last name?”
Also, almost no Icelanders have last names (in the sense of family names). Most have just a patronymic that translates as “son/daughter of (father’s name)” (i.e., Björk’s father was named Guðmundur), which is why references to Icelanders in the news refer to them by given name. As the Icelandic name pool is limited (there’s a naming committee which must approve all new names, and they’re somewhat conservative), the population register also includes people’s nicknames.
Doesn’t Iceland still follow the tradition of using the father’s first name followed by “son” or “dottir” for their “last names”?
So, when a Jonson meets a Jonsdottir at a singles bar, they just know that they both have fathers named Jon (hopefully not the same one).
About marriage between cousins: Historically, the christian church has forbidden marriage between even very distant cousins. Intended or not, this has dismantled the power of large family clans.
Over centuries this has a clear effect on psychology: more individualism, a higher willingness to trust strangers (cooperation between non-relatives) and more. Joseph Henrich (anthropologist) has a whole book about this called The WEIRDest People in the World .
When I got US Citizenship, my mom joked about that I should “marry my cousin¹ in China so she could get a green card” (this was like 2016)
¹she meant like her sister’s daughter
I was like:
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WTF mom, that’s disgusting, pretty sure marrying a cousin is a crime. (well it is in the us)
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Also, it’s marriage immigration fraud.
wtf is that “joke” lmfao, does she want me ending up in prison or something?
This isn’t an “um actually,” simply a weird american thing that I’ve experienced but, marriage to your first cousin is not illegal here. Prolly should be, and you aren’t wrong about it being immigration fraud but still, if it was a real marriage, there wouldn’t be anything illegal about it.
a weird american thing that I’ve experienced but, marriage to your first cousin is not illegal here
you’ve what now?
Yeah, pretty sure we even had a President or two who married their first cousin. One of the Roosevelts, maybe?
Edit: not FDR (his wife was a much more distant cousin), but John Quincy Adams is an example.
It’s actually illegal in most states.
Good. Shame on you Texas.
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Eh if consenting adults want to fuck each other then who are we to care? I suppose the laws are to reduce the number of birth defects that the system has to help care for.
Marriage or even sex doesn’t imply pregnancy, but even if it does, if you start legally banning people from procreating based on the possibility of birth defects, you start having to consider other banning people who have conditions they had no control over from procreating. It’s an ethical quagmire.
That is one case, which is the reason why it’s usually culturally/genetically frowned upon. The other reason I guess is to prevent abuse in a parent/child relationship, where it’s different because there’s a power difference
Yeah. It is less “Oh no. This person I met at the bar and fell in love with is actually my cousin” and more “Oh, dad’s been grooming sally since she was 6…”
Doesn’t need any incest laws for that, when child abuse is already illegal, though.
Or do you think the predator in that scenario is gonna wait for her to reach legal age?
You DO realize that much of human culture and ceremony is about exactly that, right? Like… “debutante balls” and the like are literally “yo, my daughter is legal so who wants to fuck her?”. That is also, largely, the basis for the concept of “grooming”
I once went to a convention that was double booked with a Jewish youth convention. It was pretty obvious the whole thing was for having Jewish kids hook up with each other. Also, lots of Youth IDF shirts if you wanted to know for sure what flavor of Judaism was there. I have nothing but respect for anti war Jews.
Guys I was playing about the roleplay stuff. And I don’t promote incest. I’m just saying if folks are gonna do it, take the precautions to stop the effects of birth.
My bad y’all.
Edit cause I made yall mad. I wasn’t ignoring the grooming aspect that can happen. I’m tlaking about 2 consenting adults who night be siblings. If they are consenting and willing to make sure they do not have a pregnancy, I see no problem with it. As long as there is consent and they are adults.
And no, I’m not into insect because I’m an only child like the buttmunch below me said. I merely tried the role play once or twice with my partner. It was alright. But wasn’t my favorite.
Anyways my bad guys, I figured y’al could laugh at it, but I seem to have pressed a button and I apologize for that. Excuse any spelling mistake…my phone is cracked and it bright as fuck outside…I can barely see my screen.
I roleplay that shit with my partner.
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- You REALLY REALLY REALLY do not need to share that shit
- There can still be similar power dynamic abuses and grooming even between siblings
Speaking of abusive sibling:
Yo I’m so lucky I’m cis male.
If I was female, I’m pretty sure that my older brother would’ve SA’ed me.
Like dude literally used zip ties to tie me up because I was “being annoying” to him…
like he’s 5 years older than me, so much power over me, like during that incident, I was probably like 6, he was 11…
so traumatized being unable to move for several hours until my parents came home
dude has zero boundaries
Yes I’m aware siblings can be abusive. I figured we are all smart enough here to know that. And to know I wasn’t talking about theoe dynamics.
Got it. So we don’t need laws because the people on a pseudo-reddit board are above it. Now tell us more about how you and your “partner” roleplay you fucking your sibling again.
You’re being an asshole. I never said there shouldn’t be laws. My laws would be if you’re gonna do it with your bro or sis, there are rules (laws) that you need to follow.
- Consent
- Adults
- And taking every precaution to prevent pregnancy
- (If we didn’t live in the mad world we do) would be mandatory abortions for any accidental pregnancy.
Christ, dude. Are you just wanting to fight? Oh wee, I roleplay with my wife. Omg everyone stop. I do roleplays that might be a little out there. I’m not shitting on her or eating her shit. Calm your ass down you grumpy goose.
And what’s with the “partner” thing? I’m 33 yr old. Celebrating my 10th anniversary on Feb 2nd with my partner/wife. What would be my reasons for lying about being with someone? That’s a lame way to try to make me look small while building yourself up. You seem like a bully.
If you had a sibling you wouldn’t be a weirdo into incest
I’m not into it? I roleplayed it maybe twice with my partner.
Giggity
Then you have the really weird combos like Jamaica that forbids same-sex couples (regardless of incest) but allows opposite-sex couples (also regardless of incest). So it’s okay for John to fuck his sister but not his brother.
I think the best is Italy’s, Venezuela’s and Uriguay’s “Illegal only if it provokes public scandal”
yeah, what does it even mean?! It’s up to other people to judge
Look at Ireland or Germany 👀
Makes more sense if you’re simply trying to avoid offspring from close relatives. John fucking his brother won’t result in that after all.
I think it’s more the case that the moral panic didn’t think of that at the time the law was created. It’s not like you need a law to allow you anything, laws only forbid.
I think you may be right of the initial law not including same-sex relatives, but when I checked Sweden (the third country together with Ireland and Germany to allow same-sex incest) the law that includes the part about incestuous sex has been updated in 2022 without changing the wording.
The swedish law only makes vaginal sex illegal btw, so in Sweden it’s okay for John to fuck his sister too, but only in the ass?No, oral is fine too. Better than the loophole.
Fucking in an uncomfortable place?
Like the back of a Volkswagen?
True!
Morality is what we make it be:
Unfortunately I guess its okay to murder me for thinking that way.
I mean, we don’t yet definitively know of any other places with life, which sharply limits the number of other potential places about where the Creator might be concerned about genitals going on unapproved adventures.
Sitting on a tree I would still have the same opinion.
So there’s only a sphere of observable universe surrounding us where we can only see the distant past of each of those dots. But beyond that, the universe could be infinite.
And each of those dots is billions of star systems like ours:
Yeah, I’m gonna play with my pee pee thank you very much lol.
Many Western European countries too, such as Belgium, France, the Netherlands and Spain!
Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas…
Illegal (mostly) in the “land of the free.” Fascinating.
You know the saying “behind every sign there’s a story”? It may apply to laws as well.
It’s more likely that before humanity got enough of its brain together to make it outlawed in majority of countries, we as a species, have probably fucked eachother in a family for years.
But just because that is plausible, doesn’t make it any more right to do.
I found some interesting papers on this subject a few years back.
Statistically humans have the highest rate of fecundity with 3rd-4th cousins. Close enough to ensure genetic compatibility, far enough away to avoid deletetious recessive alleles popping up.
This makes sense when you think about the small groups that most humans have traditionally lived in.
Quit trying to justify your kink.
