2 monthsYet people keep recommending products by this scummy company and pile on Firefox for slightest missteps.
Mozilla should be scrutinized, even if Firefox is currently the best option.
I think the only thing keeping them inline is loud community backlash everytime they make one of those misssteps.
People dont seem to be scrutinizing though. Its genuinely unhinged and often completely misinformed. They will jump on a single line of a legal text and use it to springboard into a world of scenarios even when Mozilla is saying its not true.
It doesnt help improve the product it just makes people think all products are bad and fallback to whatever the comfortable majority is which is chrome.
Sometimes corporations lie.
It’s not being unhinged to say you don’t like something. And the way that Mozilla is embracing “AI” is not welcomed.
- FluorideMind@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
Who cares it’s a corporation, it doesn’t have feelings. Anything to keep these corpos in line.
I think everyone should be held to the same standard. We can yell at Firefox a bit less. We should yell at Brave a lot more.
Sorry man, but the minute Firefox added that keylogger, I dipped.
Firefox rendering engine is dogshit and they are massively behind.
This coming from someone that was using Netscape and Mozilla and Firefox since its release.
- blackbeans@lemmy.zipEnglish2 months
Firefox doesn’t include a keylogger. It does have the infamous privacy preserving attribution but this can easily be disabled in settings.
In contrast, Chrome is literally a tool for Google to gain as much personal information as possible for Googles advertisement platform. It has the worst privacy features of the three major browsers and cannot be fully made private due to crippled extension support.
Firefox engine has some catching up to do, but the Safari rendering engine is behind Firefox on features.
- SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish2 months
Okay, it was always allowed to shoot yourself in the foot by going Chromium-based.
I find LibreWolf to be the better option for privacy, I never have an issue with rendering.
I don’t know what you’re on about. There is no keylogger and I don’t have any issues with the engine unless it’s some weird ass “chrome experiments” style website which I couldn’t care less about.
- Liana@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
You either die a Netscape Navigator, or you live long enough to become a… any of em, really.
They removed the paw, they are worse than Chrome! I’m going to use an alternative version that cannot exist without the main project to teach them a lesson!
- leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 months
Alternatives being even worse doesn’t make firefox good, or invalidate any objective criticism against it.
- jimmy90@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
this is a new browser and i have no idea why anyone would want to use it
because Brave is unchanged and still the best browser in the world right now
WOOOO!
All of the current browsers have major drawbacks. Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer. They’ve made what is quickly becoming the industry standard adblocker, being adopted by Firefox, Waterfox, Comet, and even Ladybird browser. No extensions required.
Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis. That’s why I use it primarily.
Origin is free on Linux.
Until Servo and Ladybird are ready, this strikes the best balance for privacy and usabllity, in my opinion
- NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zipEnglish2 months
Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer
Such as? Crypto nonsense?
The adblocker? OK I guess, except they are still just a middle man for ads (hence the crypto nonsense).
I dont see the value.
Why do you ask questions that I already answered in the comment you replied to?
Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis
I don’t know what “certain features” are. LibreWolf lets me easily enable WebGL on per-site basis and uBlock could always do that anyway. I don’t need to touch anything else.
Origin is free on Linux.
Yes, and you can also toggle everything off via config. That does not matter, it’s still a scummy move that should be ridiculed. How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars? It’s not “paying for convenience” it’s a tax on tech incompetency.
I don’t know what “certain features” are.
Would you like to know or were just just wanting to be contrarian?
How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars?
It’s not. And its not supposed to be. Its to fund the development of the browser.
It’s not. And its not supposed to be. Its to fund the development of the browser.
“Deal with worse UX or pay us to develop more crap” is not a good way to entice “voluntary” donations. Though I guess they know their audience is full of copium anyway, maybe it is an effective way at least, we’ll see.
Would you like to know or were just just wanting to be contrarian?
Funny you should say that, usually when I check tech threads - somehow you’re always there being downvoted to all hell for writing something edgy in a very pedantic (i.e. obnoxious) way. Including this thread. You could have just listed the damn features twice already when prompted about them, but you’re actively choosing to continue bullshitting as though you’re on twitter and farming for clout. I think I’ll just block you now.
“Deal with worse UX or pay us to develop more crap” is not a good way to entice “voluntary” donations.
That’s okay because that’s not what’s happening, as I’ve already explained. It is a purchase, not a donation. It’s not a novel approach, many other beloved FOSS software take a similar approach to secure funding. Off the top of my head, Zorin OS, Immich, OSMAnd, OnlyOffice, Cryptpad, etc.
You could have just listed the damn features twice already when prompted about them
I was never prompted. You could have just asked. But I think it’s abundantly clear at this point that you just don’t want to know.
Thank you for blocking me, I appreciate it.
- Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 months
I’m curious how their adblocker blocks more than 100% of all ads, cuz that’s what they’d need to beat ublock (which existed before brave did).
To be fair, he said something about built-in
But I’m with you
The choice of high quality ad Blockers per addon is nothing that’s wrong with Firefox
- kibblebits@quokk.auEnglish2 months
Brave has always been a joke. And Brave users will always be a joke. And anyone who’s ever simped for Brave will always be a moron.
- 2 months
Rude. But not inaccurate. Brave pretends to be better than Chrome and Google, but also Mozilla and Firefox at the same time, though Firefox has always done it better and has never contributed to the chromium monopoly. Greed over diversification of the Web and competition between browser engines to effect real change. The least Brave could do is make their own engine.
- jimmy90@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
when do you think brave will overtake firefox in share worldwide?
1 year, 2?
lol
- OwOarchist@pawb.socialEnglish2 months
Eh, I use it for watching youtube.
For some reason (likely youtube fighting my adblockers) I get tons of errors and issues with youtube on firefox. But Brave works alright, and also blocks the ads. So it’s my dedicated youtube browser.
never had issues with firefox and ublock origin and youtube and whatever and neither on android, linux, windows or whatsoever. guess i am just not dumb enough
Gotta refresh em sometimes. When ublock stops managing youtube perfectly, I reload all the filters. Sometimes I don’t even need to close out the browser, just the filters.
- SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish2 months
Firefox users stay winning. I love how mad some people are about Firefox.
- kepix@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
won so much uninstall when it showed a world cup advert to everyones face the other day. the forks are great, but the fox is getting enshitificated in every possible way.
- Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish2 months
On the mobile app, when you open it there’s a non-removable FIFA widget in the home page. I hate it.
Edit: I’ve tried again and now they added an option to remove it. But still, why would I want a fucking soccer widget in my browser?
- 2 months
Yeah it’s doing that to me too. The ‘Countdown to the world cup’ thing? Fuck the world cup, fuck these ads, I’m only still using Firefox because I can’t be bothered to migrate all my bookmarks to something better.
- Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish2 months
Exactly, and the world cup of soccer is managed by FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world.
Firefox is a beautiful product managed by a retarded company. Mozilla should die and just become a non-profit.
- 2 months
FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world
Sorry, but no matter how bad and corrupt FIFA is, calling them that is ridiculous. Your average American health care/insurance company and their “deny, defend, depose” operation is probably worse.
- 2 months
The Firefox forks let you migrate everything seamlessly for the most part.
- FiskFisk33@startrek.websiteEnglish2 months
What would be better though?
I have my problems with mozilla, but between apple, google and mozilla, they absolutely win in my book.
I also use a fork on most systems, but I still use Firefox pretty often, and I can think of a lot more ways it could be worse and isn’t being enshittified.
Brave lets people use Origin for free if they’re on Linux
lol
- Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
Its founder and CEO thinks that gay people shouldn’t have rights, too.
- Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
To be fair…most of the general population are indeed suckers.
- partial_accumen@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
I don’t use Brave, but one correction. From the article: "Brave sells Origin to strip added features—a $60 one-time fee (free on Linux). "
Brave thinks its Windows and OSX users are suckers, not its Linux users apparently.
- 2 months
The bad news is, if you’re not on Team Tux, you’re going to have to pay $60 for Brave Origin. Granted, you only need to buy it once, and you’ll get unlimited activations across all of your devices.
It’s amazing people still believe this BS.
- Liana@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
They’ll probably hold to it for that exact product. If they rebrand it and add it back, that’s no longer the same thing you paid for ;)
Ya, that’s the really obvious take. That’s teh way you do biz these days.
Like, that’s what’s gonna happen to all those ‘lifetime’ Plex accounts. Sure, you still have access to ‘Plex-classic’. But you don’t get any of the new Plextastic services … unless you want to pay the $1,999 upgrade fee …- Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 months
If I get to use the exact product I paid for a lifetime account for forever that does kinda sound like exactly what I paid for.
Trust me. You need Plextastic. Its got all the cool new stuff. Just a small fee.
You will come around.
Totally off topic, but I drink at a bar called Spaghetti Western!
Hillsboro, OR.
Reminds me of a joke:
My dad always warned us about Septic Tank Steve, and that we should never pay him to do anything, and we should have listened. One day Steve came by and said if we gave him a nickel, he’d swim around in the septic tank. We thought that was hilarious, so we gave him a nickel, and he swam around the tank a while. Then he came and sat next to us on the porch and said “If you want me to leave, gimme $100.”
- Sidhean@piefed.socialEnglish1 month
Well, we’ll toss him back in if he likes it so much. Maybe sell off the ladder if he really wants to stay :)
- ilinamorato@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
I feel like if you’re writing the sentence “an optional, paid version of our browser that offers Brave […] without its extra features,” you need to sit back and take a long, hard look at yourself.
- kunaltyagi@programming.devEnglish1 month
Adds features and asks for a payment to access the toggle buttons
hahahahahaha
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
Can we agree that Brave:
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Is scummy.
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Has a shady ceo, and a shady history.
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Is possibly a security risk.
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Is still orders of magnitude better than using Google Chrome.
And that:
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This headline is both true and clickbait-ish.
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You can turn these things off in Brave’s settings, for free.
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That doesn’t make this feature not scummy.
Basically no one should be using Brave, but no one should be using Google Chrome either, yet here we are.
And the revolving door of “best unabandoned Chromium fork to use” (Helium for the moment, or Ungoogled Chromium if you don’t mind some broken features, just to name two), is buried under so much SEO that it’s legitimately difficult to research.
So… I’m not gonna go out of my way to flame Brave users. If they’re trying to do better than Chrome, good! Not-Google is good. They can pay for this I guess. I’m not installing Brave, though, I’m not recommending it, and this certainly isn’t making me want to.
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
use vivaldi if you want a chromium browser. its very customizable
- lonefighter@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 months
Vivaldi concerns me a little, because I keep catching them trying to replace web addresses for major retailers with what appear to be affiliate links. For example, if I start typing the address for Amazon (I know, shitty company, but it’s the first page that comes to mind) it will pop up an auto complete to click on. If I click it, I can see that I’m redirected to Amazon through what appears to be either an affiliate or a tracking link. However, if I type the address fully in the browser and don’t use auto complete it takes me straight to Amazon, no redirecting or strange links popping up first. They do not disclose that they are doing this anywhere that I have found and I think it’s shady as fuck. I don’t have any extensions installed and it happens on multiple devices (phone, laptop, PC) and only on Vivaldi, so it’s definitely the browser and not an untrustworthy extension or a compromised device.
- lonefighter@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 months
Ooh, thank you. I get they need to make money, but I hate this. It also won’t seem to turn off for me, I disabled the setting for direct match, deleted all my cookies and such, deleted the browser cache, and it’s still popping up and still redirecting through the affiliate link. Boo.
- Zarxrax@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
Hmmm, that’s weird, I didn’t even realize this feature existed until I read your post. Guess I have always had it disabled, and I’ve never run into the issue. Have you also deleted the default bookmarks? The address bar will prefer bookmarks when you start typing an address, so if you don’t delete the default ones that come with Vivaldi, they might be autocompleting?
- lonefighter@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 months
I did delete the bookmarks, yes. I’ll have to keep playing with it and see if I can make it stop, but it does make me feel a little better knowing what it is. I just wish they were more open and transparent about it. Seeing my browser just randomly redirecting me through third party links with no warning is alarming and makes me want to go find another browser and I’ve gone through like 6 in the last 2 years trying to find one I like.
- benny@reddthat.comEnglish2 months
This seems to be disabled for me on mobile, but enabled on the desktop. Seems like a helpful feature, though they could’ve just done something like Firefox where it’s an offline search for a website with the same starting letters.
Still, appreciate the writeup and trying to minimize data collection while calling a 3rd party service in the browser and the option to disable it.
- terabyterex@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
that might be the search engine you are using. that doesnt happen to me. i use amazon every day
- lonefighter@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 months
I’ve been able to replicate with DuckDuckGo, Startpage, and Ecosia. Interestingly enough while testing it out to see if that was the issue I’ve noticed that it isn’t happening every time, more like every other time. It redirects so fast it’s easy to miss, but I was able to screen record and grab a screenshot of the link it’s redirecting through. It’s the same regardless of search engine.
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish2 months
Yeah. Or SRWare Iron, IIRC. Or DuckDuckGo or Orion on mobile. Cromite. Firefox, Zen, whatever.
There are tons of good options, certainly more than I know. But it’s a hard thing for the average person to research, especially when forks get abandoned or whatever.
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- floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 months
“Origin” is a peculiar choice for a version name. I wonder if they’re trying to go off of the popularity of a common extension
The top comment on that site says you can already disable all of these features from within the settings. Is this true?
I think so, but it’s spread among different menus and flags. Plus if even if you disable it, it’s still there, one of the origin options sounds like it has it fully removed from the code.
It’s true, if you don’t want to spend 5 minutes customizing your browser to your needs you can use GitHub script that disables all of the features for you. But I don’t see how feature like reader isn’t handy, it often lets you bypass paywalls for free.
- appauled@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 months
No, but brave “shields”, aka pre installed but shittier unlock origin, can sometimes break plex or other sites that require certain things that could look like trackers
I meant because Plex also added so much extra shitty shit that I never asked for and couldn’t remove, so I moved to jellyfin
