- 2 hours
What’s their motivation? “Protecting the children” from pictures of boobs?
Doubtful.
Instead, I think the AI companies are looking for ways to more easily distinguish human-made “content” from bot-made content, in order to decrease the amount of generative slop that ends up being fed back into their training data.
- brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish13 minutes
It’s anticompetitiveness.
They want to squash open models, and anyone too small to comply with this.
I say this in every thread, but the real AI “battle” is open-weights ML vs OpenAI style tech bro AI. And OpenAI wants precisely no one to realize that.
- buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish36 minutes
Considering the fact that AI based age verification now usually involves taking a head shot and uploading it to the servers of the company, I’m guessing there is an element of facial data collection involved as well.
- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish7 hours
You know what they are going to be saying to the Stickholders once they get wiped from Europe?
I-ran.
12 hoursIt’s identity verification.NNo more anonymity. The wet dream of marketers and autocratic governments alike
- BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.worldEnglish10 minutes
I’m pretty sure the vast majority of the people who are anonymous are robots and stealth marketers. Normal people aren’t usually willing to put in the effort to maintain their privacy. They use their “anonymous” social media and AI accounts on devices tied to their verified credentials (Google, Amazon, Walmart, Microsoft, etc.)
My theory is that these companies want identity verification to prevent swarms of bot farms from clogging up their servers. Up until this point, the drawbacks of identity verification outweighed the positives.
- Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish13 hours
it is backed by META, AI, OpenAI, they all want to sell the data tot o govt, thats where the money is. and last one i forgot was palinitir.
- BoJackHorseman@lemmy.todayEnglish10 hours
The CEO of first two companies are jew and the third is a Zionist who lectures about the anti christ in Vatican
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.todayEnglish5 hours
How are truthful facts anti-Semitism? Israel is committing genocide, and America is assisting. Accusing people of anti-Semitism for pointing out the truth is disingenuous and fraudulent. You can’t intimidate us with your evil religious propaganda.
- lumpenproletariat@quokk.auEnglish4 hours
Focusing on them being Jews is the antisemitism. Zionists are 100% to blame, not Jews.
Is stating facts anti-semitism? There was no other assertion in the post.
- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish7 hours
No, but describing them as Jews is totally unecessary, brings undue hatred on the general population, as not all Jews are responsible for Israel, Mossad, and It’s Zionism.
In other words, be very careful, there’s a hidden tag system that can end very badly for you. It won’t be a laughing matter once you have 30 people tagging you.
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.todayEnglish5 hours
These aren’t just random Jews, they are the specific owners of the engines of the latest wave of human submission, which is heavily supported by Israel. It is safe to assume that these particular Jews are also Super-Zionist, until proven otherwise.
- BoJackHorseman@lemmy.todayEnglish9 hours
People who point it out are anti semites until you find out they have been secretly funnelling money to IDF to commit genocide in Palestine and Lebanon
- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish7 hours
I have funneled my entire account of 3 dollars to fund the IDF.
Get fucked, goys!
Laughs in anti-semitic stereotype
- BoJackHorseman@lemmy.todayEnglish6 hours
You laugh while they hammer nails into a 1 year old baby still drinking milk from a bottle.
As Netanyahu said, Jews have emerged from the depths of hell
- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish7 hours
There is no “they”, everyone takes accountability individualy. You have crossed a line you were explicitly warned not to.
We are done here.
- BoJackHorseman@lemmy.todayEnglish6 hours
There is no they when it comes to Jews. But every muslim is a terrorist and must be genocided to bring peace to earth, according to the US government. There is “they” when it comes to muslims.
The military is one organization. Every soldier represents the organisation especially when no action is taken against the soldier for such actions.
It’s possible to construct an age-verification system that allows a user to verify they are over the age of 18 without divulging any other information whatsoever.
But that would defeat the point of “age” verification for these goons.
- 2 hours
I kind of disagree. How can you be certain a person in is a certain age without determining who that person is?
The local AI concept is flawed, as is anything that relies on trusting the user.
If you want to be certain that someone is over 18 at some point you need a government ID or birth certificate, and at that point you know a hell of a lot more about them than their age.
This is identity verification.
- ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish3 hours
How do you positively confirm age without confirming identity and referencing it to an official birth certificate?
With something like a physical gift card.
Go to a store or kiosk, show them your ID card or driver’s license, and they’ll give you a card randomly chosen from the shelf with a code to activate the +18 version of any social network of your choice.
Each code could only be used once. People would have to buy more, at a symbolic cost, for each social network they wished to activate.
I would tend to be against this in the same way, but at least it would be something I could understand where the objective is actually what is being presented (protecting the children), albeit misguided, because to me it is clear that what is currently being promoted and proposed has nothing to do with age verification, but rather with mass surveillance, marketing and censorship.
- 3 hours
That’s not something I’ve seen suggested before but it is an interesting way to go about it.
- innermachine@lemmy.worldEnglish6 hours
I cannot understand the online age verification crap. You need a licence to buy alcohol, but once it’s in your house your kid can drink it. If their so worried just make it so u have to be 18 to buy a computer. This makes it so a age check was in place to get online, yet no identity is tied to the services. Then anybody underage online is only doing so because an adult facilitated it (which is basically currently the case). Shit I had to show id to get my phone contract, and to get my internet so an age verification check was in place for all these kids smart phones and wifi access that their PARENTS provided and now the parents are mad they have access to adult content??? This is like being mad that your kid under age drank when you bought them liquor. The fuck did they think would happen? The real reason they want this stuff to go in place is to harvest more info for private gain.
- frongt@lemmy.zipEnglish4 hours
It’s because it’s not about age verification, it’s about surveillance.
- 10 hours
There is no way to prove definitively that the person using the credential is the same person using the Internet. Hell there’s barely enough of a way to prove that there is a human sitting behind your device.
This is why age/identify verification is pointless.
- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish7 hours
It was really hard for me not to claim I’m a minor on Lemmy NSFW, I knew I should not do it, after getting naked on there, would cause TOO MUCH chaos.
It’s not a guarantee, but generally, digital ID systems live on the phone of one person only and require a screen lock to use. You’re right though, that there is nothing preventing someone else from borrowing another’s identity.
It is possible to construct a zero-knowledge proof using cryptography and adapting existing digital ID infrastructure. A user can prove that they have knowledge of a private key tied to an adult’s identification card without having to reveal the key, or the associated public key.
But that being said, whether something is possible and whether it is a good idea are two different questions.
- Fluffy Kitty Cat@slrpnk.netEnglish13 hours
I’ve never heard anyone explain how you can devise a system that is both Anonymous and immune to somebody handing out their zero knowledge proof tokens by the handful
- pazuzuzu@lemmy.nzEnglish12 hours
Matthew Green the CS/cryptography professor is actively writing about this in fairly broad language https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2026/03/02/anonymous-credentials-an-illustrated-primer/
- Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish11 hours
tl;dr: The “zero knowledge” proof could have a finite number of uses per block of time for each verifier, each of which represented by a unique single-use key. This way anyone sharing keys would be limited by that finite number of uses, and if people sharing this aren’t coordinated they could end up re-using a single-use key.
If the encryption was stolen without their consent, this could tip a user off prompting them to invalidate the current set and get a new one. And if the verification is used to support a pseudonym like an account for an online service then instances of re-use could get flagged for moderators.
- CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
What do you mean? The system already exists in Germany and whatever website or app asking if you‘re an adult will only get exactly that information. Not your face, not your name, not even your age. They will simply receive a verified Y/N from a government service. Needless to say no US company implemented it because they would miss out on a lot of sweet sweet data.
- 12 hours
Surely that’s not zero knowledge since the government can see every site you visit, which is the whole point of these laws anyway
- sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish6 hours
I can’t speak to Germany’s system, but there’s no need for a site to tell the verification service its identity. If it just asks “is the current session authenticated to someone over 16” and gets an answer back. Identity of both parties remains secret.
Theoretically, it’s possible for the user to authenticate their age without either the site or service knowing the user’s identity. Quick and dirty example:
There’s a thing called a ring signature that allows one to prove that one of a large number of people digitally signed something. Let’s say a million people all have private keys whose corresponding public keys are registered to a database after they flashed their state ID at a post office or something to prove they are ≥18 years of age. So, John Smith uses his private key plus all 1 million public keys to sign a statement that he sends to a server saying he’s ≥18. The server then takes all 1 million public keys plus the signed message John provided and verifies that his signature is among the 1 million but cannot calculate which exact public key belongs to John. The verification process requires all 1 million public keys as input; you cannot, for example, try an omit each public key one-by-one to see which causes the verification process to fail.
Currently, there is ongoing research on how to make compact ring signatures since they can be very large the more public keys are involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_signature
That said, even if you had scalable compact ring signature technology, I’d be more worried about advertiser deänonymization efforts once a user has logged in that check browser canvas size, IP address, user agent, font availability, etc. See https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/
Also, ring signatures for age verification don’t actually verify age, just that someone proved their age at some point in the past to the owner of the public key database; just like an adult can log into YouTube on behalf of their children and let the children go to town, John could give anyone access to his private key regardless of age.
- 6 hours
No need to, but no need for it not to either. And no way to verify it isn’t beyond “trust me bro” and I don’t trust them
- sbv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish3 hours
no way to verify it isn’t beyond “trust me bro” and I don’t trust them
If the verification service is structured like oauth, then the request could be passed through the browser as signed plaintext. You could verify that the requesting site is only passing a minimum age request to the service. That would be as straightforward as viewing the interaction in your browser’s debug tooling.
If you say that you don’t trust the signature, and that it could be used to smuggle identifying information across, there’s a couple of ways to deal with that: open source and audited provider governed by legislation; information theory that would show personally identifying information wouldn’t fit into a field of that size; and “personal auditing” where you can try throwing data at the service to see if you can trick it into accepting invalid input (that really goes with the previous point, because the only field you can usefully vary is the signature).
“Hey, Uncle, can I use your age tokens to do my research homework? The rich kids all get to use the entire Internet because their uncles let them ride their age credentials. Thanks!”
- Pycorax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish9 hours
I don’t see how other methods aren’t immune to this issue without asking you to do verification every day.
- RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
It already exists, lots of institutions people work with know way more than just their age. They could really provide an anonymous way of validating someone’s age without divulging their identity. This can also be done in such a way that the verification provider doesn’t know the requester either so they don’t have a way of tracking user habits
- Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish13 hours
Age verification requirements for AI? As in “AI needs to be at least this mature before released to be used”?
