2 daysCan we please stop listening and quoting company CEOs. Haven’t we all learned how clueless they truly all are ?
- motruck@lemmy.zipEnglish2 days
Yea please. I keep saying it too. Wake up you fucking sheeple. Many folks who become CEOs are some of the worst of the worst cause that is the only way you get there. A CEO only says things that make them money.
- absquatulate@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Clueless or not, zelnick is in the position to attempt to make this happen. Sony seems to be on board with them, and I bet microsoft is salivating at the thought as well.
- Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish2 days
They’ll be force-feeding streaming soon enough. I’m fully convinced they’re gonna push streaming hard as soon as the AI bubble bursts, just so they can justify building all those data centers.
- Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 day
Those AI datacenters are pretty much single use. If you want to use them for anything else, you need to strip out everything down to the concrete and power leads, and install a new set of equipment.
- raze2012@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Microsoft can’t even justify an online subsciption service for $30/month. They already bacled down that price. And I don’t think we need to talk much about Stadia who tried the “pay $60 to stream a game” model.
No way in high hell this takes off. The economics aren’t there and the competition is too strong. Not to mention I don’t think the internet infrastructure is quite ready for that kind of mass streaming anyway.
- iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
as soon as the AI bubble bursts
We’ve been saying that for a long time now. Still going strong, even though I would personally love to see it burst and we can get back to normal.
- Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish1 day
Who is “they”? Major game publishers? How will they convince 80 different indie publishers to stop publishing locally run games?
- chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
Yeah, but now consoles are gonna cost $1,000 and lower-mid-rang PCs even more.
Streaming games sucks, but it’ll be the only option for people who can spend that kind of cash on the hardware.
- bowsertattoo@piefed.socialEnglish2 days
as if lol. even if compute gets cheap (seems like not), installing high speed internet all over the world? that’s a huge project that nobody is working on.
- 2 days
And all for what, too? Just so you don’t have to spend 20 minutes downloading a game one time?
- bowsertattoo@piefed.socialEnglish2 days
i mean streaming gives big corporations more power, like the power to shut off your game if you don’t pay a subscription fee, the power to track everything you do
- 1 day
Of course, but that isn’t going to drive consumer demand in a good direction and studios are already shutting down left and right.
They don’t need to switch to a streaming model in order to charge subscription fees, and streaming isn’t going to bring any benefit to the player (and comes with huge drawbacks if, for example, you have shitty internet speeds or data caps), so again I’ll ask why? It’s just adding tons of unnecessary bandwidth usage over the current model but offers no benefit that I can see to anyone involved.
- FluidBeef@quokk.auEnglish1 day
The speed of light will still be in effect on three years, so we’ll all be watching streamers who built their PC before the rampocalypse play the latest games that we’ll never be able to afford.
- fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish1 day
Or maybe fewer of us will game, of course. If you kill quality you kill your customer base.
- Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.caEnglish3 days
fuck that noise, I’ll play ROMs of SNES for the rest of my life if it comes to it. idgaf. never giving in to cloud based bullshit ever
- thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish3 days
True, but don’t sleep on the Mega Drive / Genesis, or the Neo Geo too!
There are legitimately so many incredible titles in the 4th (16bit) console generation, that it could keep most people playing for a decade or more.
…and that’s BEFORE gaming exploded in popularity with the 5th & 6th console generations.
- darkmogool@feddit.orgEnglish2 days
And nothing of value would be lost… It’s maybe just me, but the last thing take-two (or rockstar) made, which was good, was Vice City.
- ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish3 days
Are they implying that in 3 years they’ll have upgraded my internet AND put servers in every single city, not just capitals so stream this?
I’m not accepting 100ms of latency, ever.
- Crankenstein@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
This.
Intention be damned if they don’t provide the necessary infrastructure so people can access this at a minimum standard of quality.
I, unfortunately, live out in the boonies and streaming a game with this country bumpkin Internet is impossible.
- 2 days
@Crankenstein @ms_lane not even then, the game has to be locally installed, streaming from a companys server is not acceptable. The only acceptable way of streaming is when i install it on either a pc at home or have my “own” server or service like shadow where i install MY game and stream from there
I would never accept 100ms either, but what’s funny is that twitch/reaction games are more popular than they’ve ever been. Fighting games, FPSes, Soulslikes, precision platformers are all extremely intolerant to any kind of latency.
They are implying that in three years, if they have their way, you’ll have no choice. You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.
- Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
If he only offers streaming, he’ll just leave a gap for indies who actually deliver.
And Indies are going strong right now! I used to play big titles but not anymore.
By the way, take a look at the indie game The Precinct.
- Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
I’m long past gaming. I’m down to Solitaire and Mahjong, and occasionally watching a let’s play on YT…
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish2 days
If you read it, he says it’s a way to reach those who don’t have machines capable of running the games, therefore increasing the target audience size.
- Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish2 days
If people who lack a gaming machine have a big internet connection instead is rather questionable.
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish2 days
Plenty of people have laptops or old office desktops. Fiber is available pretty widely in much of the developed world and in a dense city 5G is likely to be better than copper. Availability of a decent connection is location dependent, ability to drop a grand on a console is dependent on your finances. Some people might live in a city but not have that much disposable income.
E.g in Romania, gigabit connection is 8 euros a month. Basically anyone can get it. But I don’t think bandwidth is anywhere near as important as latency. So the availability is even more location dependent
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish2 days
Aaaand downvotes from people who never read the article, we’ve reached peak reddit.
This is from an earnings call. He 1) says that increasing hardware prices are not a good thing and 2) thinks streaming is starting to be ready enough that people who can’t afford gaming PCs or consoles, can stream the games instead.
This came from a lengthy answer given in Take-Two’s quarterly earnings call this morning by Strauss Zelnick, in response to a question about the rising cost of hardware. He began his reply by saying that the rising price of hardware is “not a good thing” because it means fewer people will have machines on which to play games, but that it won’t slow Take-Two down as a business, “because we’re delivering experiences that people want.”
But Zelnick continued with a really interesting response about streaming. First, he pointed out that the world is increasingly moving to open systems, as demonstrated by the rise of PC gaming over the last 20 years. Then, he continued:
With the advent of streaming—which we really do believe is around the corner in terms of having something that’s low latency, and really works well for consumers—machines that weren’t game machines before will become game machines. So, without regard to what happens in the console business, which is of consequence to us, of course, we see the overall install base as a practical matter growing materially. And if you believe in streaming, to be clear, we really do, and I’m happy to put a timeline on it. I think we’ll be in commercial streaming mode in three years, and by commercial I mean low latency. That can 10x the effective the install base. That doesn’t mean we’re going to 10x our revenue, and we wouldn’t project that we would, because obviously your avid consumers already have access to video game machines. But I do think it creates great opportunity for titles that are broadly desirable even outside of core markets, and we do have titles like that, obviously.
This is VERY different from what the headline suggests, of course Kotaku editorialized the fuck out of it.
I had a GeForce Now Founder account but finally let it lapse as the price kept going up. I also bought into Google Stadia and it was great technology wise.
I don’t see cloud gaming as a bad thing as a backup, or when you’re on the road.
However, like everything these days, the fuckers will just keep jacking up the price to squeeze every penny out of the market. Or lock it down so you have to buy from their store.
This is the real problem. The technology is capable and we could have nice things but these assholes will just ruin it so fuck 'em.
- 2 days
Very much this.
I remember being so excited for cloud gaming as a kid, before the term was coined or the concept was widely there - I just kept thinking to myself how cool it would be to be able to play any games I want on my less-than-capable PC. Couldn’t even imagine the tech actually arriving one day.
And by the time it did, I’ve become so disenchanted with technology that reaches mainstream, because you’re just so right: it becomes a very aggressive money-making machine that treats you without any respect and only wants more.
I would rather pay more for less thanks to the rampocalypse, play with stutters and terrible FPS on lowest settings, than let a Take-Two CEO and others have us rent games and computing power.
Even if they’re not greedy, I don’t think the price that it would take to provide that service at cost is going to ever be a price people are willing to pay.
I don’t see cloud gaming as a bad thing as a backup
I agree, I’d like to have the OPTION to stream cloud games in addition to the OPTION of playing games digitally and the OPTION of owning games physically.
The keyword here being OPTION.
